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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/mccainwasonceanhonorableman/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Best of luck to you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/mccainwasonceanhonorableman/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Many polls over many years have shown that large percentages of Americans think Saddam and Iraq in general had something to do with 9/11.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Large percentages of Americans think all kinds of things. They’re either all newsworthy on this basis or they’re not. You know, I don’t see the media questioning the moon landing lately either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I spent last week in an area of the country where this “certain demographic” is the majority…by far.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last week would make that occurring in June 2008.&lt;br /&gt;
The demographic mentioned was people who think Iraq had something to do with 9/11 or question why this topic isn’t still being addressed by the media in 2008.&lt;br /&gt;
I dunno what to tell you. Travel elsewhere.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If BigMedia would’ve reported and exposed the fallacies from the get-go, rather than cheerlead and regurgitate the carefully contstructed spin, I think there would’ve been enough public pressure to potentially stop, or at least end the Iraq madness. So that’s what I’m “really asking for here,” O’ wise one.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, but we still can’t figure out what you are asking for.&lt;br /&gt;
The media reported that al Qaeda was behind 9/11 from the get go in 2001. There was no “get go” when Iraq had something to do with 9/11 because the media never suggested they were. So WTF already ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now whatever it is you are talking about, the fact still remains that it is now June 2008. The only way you get to suggest the media is to blame for you not knowing whether Iraq being behind 9/11 was ever resolved, conclusively, is if you want to suggest Wolf Blitzer has kept you prisoner in his basement and away from all said media for 7 years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Many polls over many years have shown that large percentages of Americans think Saddam and Iraq in general had something to do with 9/11.</p>
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<p>Large percentages of Americans think all kinds of things. They’re either all newsworthy on this basis or they’re not. You know, I don’t see the media questioning the moon landing lately either.</p>
<blockquote><p>I spent last week in an area of the country where this “certain demographic” is the majority…by far.</p>
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<p>Last week would make that occurring in June 2008.<br />
The demographic mentioned was people who think Iraq had something to do with 9/11 or question why this topic isn’t still being addressed by the media in 2008.<br />
I dunno what to tell you. Travel elsewhere.</p>
<blockquote><p>If BigMedia would’ve reported and exposed the fallacies from the get-go, rather than cheerlead and regurgitate the carefully contstructed spin, I think there would’ve been enough public pressure to potentially stop, or at least end the Iraq madness. So that’s what I’m “really asking for here,” O’ wise one.</p>
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<p>Yes, but we still can’t figure out what you are asking for.<br />
The media reported that al Qaeda was behind 9/11 from the get go in 2001. There was no “get go” when Iraq had something to do with 9/11 because the media never suggested they were. So WTF already ?</p>
<p>Now whatever it is you are talking about, the fact still remains that it is now June 2008. The only way you get to suggest the media is to blame for you not knowing whether Iraq being behind 9/11 was ever resolved, conclusively, is if you want to suggest Wolf Blitzer has kept you prisoner in his basement and away from all said media for 7 years.</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/mccainwasonceanhonorableman/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Many polls over many years have shown that large percentages of Americans think Saddam and Iraq in general had something to do with 9/11.  Was this by accident or by design?  The WMD argument was added into the mix to confuse the issue even more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I spent last week in an area of the country where this “certain demographic” is the majority…by far.  When discussing politics with any of the locals, by asking the question I mentioned, their entire line of reasoning went down the drain.  Several said, “Good point…” and one person, after a long discussion, admitted she’s questioning her support of McKeating now.  If BigMedia would’ve reported and exposed the fallacies from the get-go, rather than cheerlead and regurgitate the carefully contstructed spin, I think there would’ve been enough public pressure to potentially stop, or at least end the Iraq madness.  So that’s what I’m “really asking for here,” O’ wise one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This percentage of the public is quite large and was responsible for Shrub getting re-selected in 2004.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many polls over many years have shown that large percentages of Americans think Saddam and Iraq in general had something to do with 9/11.  Was this by accident or by design?  The WMD argument was added into the mix to confuse the issue even more.</p>
<p>I spent last week in an area of the country where this “certain demographic” is the majority…by far.  When discussing politics with any of the locals, by asking the question I mentioned, their entire line of reasoning went down the drain.  Several said, “Good point…” and one person, after a long discussion, admitted she’s questioning her support of McKeating now.  If BigMedia would’ve reported and exposed the fallacies from the get-go, rather than cheerlead and regurgitate the carefully contstructed spin, I think there would’ve been enough public pressure to potentially stop, or at least end the Iraq madness.  So that’s what I’m “really asking for here,” O’ wise one.</p>
<p>This percentage of the public is quite large and was responsible for Shrub getting re-selected in 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/mccainwasonceanhonorableman/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What the hell did Iraq have to do with 9/11, especially considering Saddam and bin Laden were sworn enemies?!?!&lt;br /&gt;
It’s been years now that I’ve seen a “mainstream” media person talk about this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well what else do you want them to do ?&lt;br /&gt;
The administration didn’t make a case that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. It was justified on the basis that arseholes with WMDs could give them to terrorists and that was a threat you needed to go bomb some.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s pretty much nobody alive hasn’t got the word about how that WMD treasure hunt played out. So what are you really asking for here ? That the media play as dumb as you are and invent that meme which is popular with a certain demographic, but not realy true ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well okay, but seeing as it’s election season I think you’ll have to let them explore whether Obama is a moderate or radical muslim first.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What the hell did Iraq have to do with 9/11, especially considering Saddam and bin Laden were sworn enemies?!?!<br />
It’s been years now that I’ve seen a “mainstream” media person talk about this.</p>
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<p>Well what else do you want them to do ?<br />
The administration didn’t make a case that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. It was justified on the basis that arseholes with WMDs could give them to terrorists and that was a threat you needed to go bomb some.</p>
<p>There’s pretty much nobody alive hasn’t got the word about how that WMD treasure hunt played out. So what are you really asking for here ? That the media play as dumb as you are and invent that meme which is popular with a certain demographic, but not realy true ?</p>
<p>Well okay, but seeing as it’s election season I think you’ll have to let them explore whether Obama is a moderate or radical muslim first.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer Ackerman</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/mccainwasonceanhonorableman/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer Ackerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah. DOD was &lt;i&gt;way&lt;/i&gt; out of sync with the GAO and couldn’t even make that claim categorically. Further, in Bushachusetts, it’s gotten harder to remember whether progress means we leave now or progress means we stay forever or failure means we stay forever or failure means we leave now. So can you blame the Pentagon for hedging?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. DOD was <i>way</i> out of sync with the GAO and couldn’t even make that claim categorically. Further, in Bushachusetts, it’s gotten harder to remember whether progress means we leave now or progress means we stay forever or failure means we stay forever or failure means we leave now. So can you blame the Pentagon for hedging?</p>
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		<title>By: cobernicus</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/mccainwasonceanhonorableman/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>cobernicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is the relvant paragraph:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;While the surge has helped mitigate ethno-sectarian&lt;br /&gt;
tensions and restore stability to many&lt;br /&gt;
areas, &lt;strong&gt;progress remains uneven and fragile&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
Violence levels vary throughout the country,&lt;br /&gt;
and Coalition and Iraqi forces continue to&lt;br /&gt;
confront numerous challenges. &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;With the more&lt;br /&gt;
recent exception of Basrah, Mosul and Sadr&lt;br /&gt;
City&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, overall violence has followed a downward&lt;br /&gt;
trend, with the greatest recent improvements in&lt;br /&gt;
the Sunni majority areas of the northern&lt;br /&gt;
provinces. Elsewhere, Coalition forces and the&lt;br /&gt;
ISF continue to make incremental security&lt;br /&gt;
gains, as the ISF grow in numbers, experience&lt;br /&gt;
and capabilities. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Emphasis added&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the relvant paragraph:</p>
<blockquote><p>While the surge has helped mitigate ethno-sectarian<br />
tensions and restore stability to many<br />
areas, <strong>progress remains uneven and fragile</strong><em></em>.<br />
Violence levels vary throughout the country,<br />
and Coalition and Iraqi forces continue to<br />
confront numerous challenges. <strong><em>With the more<br />
recent exception of Basrah, Mosul and Sadr<br />
City</em></strong>, overall violence has followed a downward<br />
trend, with the greatest recent improvements in<br />
the Sunni majority areas of the northern<br />
provinces. Elsewhere, Coalition forces and the<br />
ISF continue to make incremental security<br />
gains, as the ISF grow in numbers, experience<br />
and capabilities. </p>
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<p><strong><em>Emphasis added</em>.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: cobernicus</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/mccainwasonceanhonorableman/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>cobernicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/Master_16_June_08_%20FINAL_SIGNED%20.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link &lt;/a&gt;to the document cited.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a <a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/Master_16_June_08_%20FINAL_SIGNED%20.pdf" rel="nofollow">link </a>to the document cited.</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/mccainwasonceanhonorableman/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So odd to me how quickly this essential question was ignored by Conglomerate Media and thus, the “average” American:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the hell did Iraq have to do with 9/11, especially considering Saddam and bin Laden were sworn enemies?!?!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s been years now that I’ve seen a “mainstream” media person talk about this.  Years later, hundreds of thousands of lives lost and hundreds of billions of dollars later, Those Who Know Better in DeeCee are still saying, “Listen to us!” as bin Laden runs around somewhere with his dialysis machine (assuming the official story is true…).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The absurdity of it all never ceases to amaze me.  Each one of us needs to get as many people as possible off the Conglomerate Media teat and reading places like FDL instead.  It’s our only hope.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So odd to me how quickly this essential question was ignored by Conglomerate Media and thus, the “average” American:</p>
<p>What the hell did Iraq have to do with 9/11, especially considering Saddam and bin Laden were sworn enemies?!?!</p>
<p>It’s been years now that I’ve seen a “mainstream” media person talk about this.  Years later, hundreds of thousands of lives lost and hundreds of billions of dollars later, Those Who Know Better in DeeCee are still saying, “Listen to us!” as bin Laden runs around somewhere with his dialysis machine (assuming the official story is true…).</p>
<p>The absurdity of it all never ceases to amaze me.  Each one of us needs to get as many people as possible off the Conglomerate Media teat and reading places like FDL instead.  It’s our only hope.</p>
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