ah ha! hacked in to comments – just to send you props for your KO mention last night – sent both cats running for their lives with my woot!

oh and btw, this Cato Inst. tip – yummy

ps – mods I kid on the hacked thingy.

I almost fell off my chair! You mean there is actually someone at least partially sane working for the Bush (mal)administration?

Like the Admirals and Generals who have been replaced, Gates can also be shown the door.

Bush can just let Cheney take over the DOD.

Understand the former AG is still looking for work

Maybe GW ordered a strike on Iran already and his request was denied. Maybe the joint chiefs took junior’s car keys away earlier this year.
Maybe the moon is made of cheese.
Maybe not.

before cheney and rumsfeld undermined nixon’s treaty of detante with their rediculous claims of secret silent submarinesand we knew about the lies cheney and rumsfeld told long before they tried it again in Iraq

the real professionals in the cia warned us in no uncertain terms that cheney and rumsfeld were lying again, yet there we were falling for it and letting them begin their rediculous war in Iraq

and now the real professionals are once again warning us, “do not attack Iran”

yet cheney has been relentless and he has his ‘team b” on the case again

each time they make their war noises it seems yet another cia report or nie tells us they are lying

I do not believe the military will allow the strike they have been planning since they formed their sick maniacal fraternity of sociopaths known as the pnac

Gates isn’t speaking without the approval of the White House- clearly they WANT an ambiguous message out there for the election season….Shooter and the Clusterfuck singin ‘bombs away’ an Gates sayin “we’d never do that- it’s just posturing”

Nice work, Spencer. And congrats on the citations on Countdown.

I’ve suspected that Gates was unenthusiastic about an attack on Iran, along with Mullen and Fallon. But the neocons, both here and in Israel, are struggling mightily, especially at the Jerusalem Post:

Recent talks the United States held with Iran are aimed at creating legitimacy for a potential attack against Iranian nuclear facilities, defense officials speculated on Sunday as Defense Minister Ehud Barak headed to Washington for talks with senior administration officials.

[…]

The move led to reports that the US was changing its isolation tactic vis-à-vis Iran but Israeli defense officials speculated Sunday that the move was really a ploy to buy international support in the event that Bush decides to attack Iran in his last months in office.

“This way they will be able to say they tried everything,” one official speculated. “This increases America’s chances of gaining more public support domestically as well as the support of European nations which are today opposed to military action.”

Phoenix Woman had this to say about that:

That’s the frickin’ J-Post, PNAC Central, Richard Perle’s rag. They want to drive policy, and they feel their power slipping away.

[…]

The whole reason that Mossad agents are now speaking out, especially to the US media, is to put pressure on the neocon nutters in both the US and Israel not to attack. The Perle Post is trying to make it happen by pretending that it’s already a done deal when it most certainly is not.

Maybe the DOD told GW that it was unconstitutional without congress declaring war

Gates isn’t speaking without the approval of the White House- clearly they WANT an ambiguous message out there for the election season….Shooter and the Clusterfuck singin ‘bombs away’ an Gates sayin “we’d never do that- it’s just posturing”

I am not so certain that is true, the president is now a pox in government and pretty much the only ones that want to listen to his orders are the people that are actually pulling his strings

he is the mariontte not the puppeteer and the audience isn’t buying the schtick

Apparently Gates hasn’t gotten the memo – from Israel. Iran will be bombed.

You didn’t actually think that the US Defense Department was in charge of the US arsenal, did you?

there is NOTHING “unconstitutional” with this congress, the president has been granted ALL power and UNLESS congress removes him from power THEY ARE POWERLESS TO STOP HIM

this is not an opinion it is a fact;

“congress is powerless unless they use their power”

and since they won’t, they are impotent

Maybe the DOD told GW that it was unconstitutional without congress declaring war

shit – I hope not. You know what happens when Georgie gets told he can’t do something, that it’s a crime, or that it’s unconstitutional. In this case – could be bombs away!!

probably gates is letting israel or bush know, if we fight Iran it will be through proxie

Perris: I suspect it is Israel letting Gates know, and not the other way around. Israel is blackmailing this administration to do this deed, big time.

Friday is the day Iran is supposed to respond to the last proposal

Blackmail.

The revelation of an Israeli-linked system for monitoring and potentially listening in to the phone calls of every single person in the nation at will opens up the possibility that a massive blackmail operation, unprecedented in scale, is the real force shaping media bias and United States policy.

The reality is that this nation’s politicians and media leaders all have secrets to hide. Mistresses, drug habits, links to that airfield in Mena, Arkansas, BCCI cash sitting in that bank in Barbados, loot from ADFA in the Cayman’s; in a corrupted society only the corrupt can reach the heights of power, and they all have secrets to hide. They are all vulnerable to blackmail. And being the kind of people who were willing to, and usually did, anything to get power, they are also the people willing to do anything to keep it. Look the other way when the drugs come in, spike an embarrassing news story or plant a fake one that embarrasses your enemy, alter the books, destroy a report, falsify data, destroy evidence, maybe even allow the military might of the United States and the blood of her children to be tricked into fighting someone else’s war.

History has shown that if a crime is possible, it is also inevitable. The cold hard reality is that Amdocs and Comverse Infosys are the most powerful tools a blackmailer could ever hope for, opening up the private lives of everyone in the nation, including the secrets of targets able to control the media and US policy.

Dare we ignore this potential threat?

Or will the media be “persuaded” that all this fuss about Israeli-owned companies with wires into the phone system is just a lot of nonsense?

There is one more aspect to this issue that needs to be looked at. If indeed Israel is blackmailing our officials and media icons, it is because those who are being blackmailed ARE blackmailable. If we elect a government of criminals, we elect a government subject to blackmail. Finally, given the fact that blackmail may be assumed to be as widespread as the collection system itself is, those who persist in trying to defend Israel may no longer be assumed to be operating from the purest of motives. After all, who will defend a blackmailer more staunchly than those who are the blackmailer’s victims?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blackmail.html

CHENEY took over the DOD the day Clusterfuck took office..You don’t think Clusterfuck was tellin Rummy what ta do do ya? Hell no- Cheney and Addington have had total control since day one.

“When someone says my son died fighting for his country, I say,
“No, the suicide bomber who killed my son died fighting for his country.”
Father of American Soldier Lance Cpl. Chase J. Comley, USMC, KIA in Iraq

The idiots who have REALLY been running the White House have learned how to hose the prez into thinking that he’s in charge—

“Here- sign this- it’s VERY important Mr President- yes- Mr. Cheney has already signed it- it’s OK”

I suspect something like this is going on:

On the one side you have Gates, Scowcroft, and Pappy saying to Bush, “Don’t be a fucking idiot, you bomb Iran and you’ll have suicide bombers blowing up shopping malls all across this country.”

And then on the other side, Bush has Cheney and his neocon acolytes saying, “Don’t be a fucking idiot, if you don’t bomb Iran you’ll have suicide bombers blowing up shopping malls all across this country.”

Hell of a place for the idiot son to be.

How about “Cheney says for you to sign this … NOW!

“Hell of a place for the idiot son and the country to be.”

I doubt if anyone bothers to tell Clusterfuck anything at all about what he’s gonna decide until after they decide what it IS he’s gonna decide…why bother his beautiful mind about it?

“See Mr. President- you are the DECIDER!” OK- today you are going to decide to raise the national debt by 20%—–Percent? Well if you divide the little number into the BIG- NUMBER- yes that one there—”

wigwam, when i saw rice on tv the other night, her parsing of words and phrasings were strange, even for her–and she repeated them a couple of times in the interview almost verbatim, weird for her.almost like they only had a ’slim’ one point and had to ‘go’ with it…what the ‘post’ said, in your commment,that’s exactly what i thought, that they were ‘posing, “well, we did all we could” now, all options on the table. especially that bright shiny one that they’ve been polishing to make it look nice so it will get chosen first.

Digg it!!

Thanks to everyone who said nice things about the post. I’m sorry I’ve not been getting into the thick of it with comments lately — I’m wrapping up an Independent piece and it’s been a MF’er of a day…

Could this type of talk by Gates et al be to encourage Iran to stick there tongue out and then bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

blackmailing us with what”

oil?

no, israel is not blackmailing us into anything, the neo cons want war, they get war, it is for their sociopathy, they are maniacs who want never ending unrest so they can steal the treasure of continents

Correction their tongue

obama is gonna have LOTS of fun, check this out from think progress;

Yesterday, the White House “increased its estimate for next year’s deficit to nearly $490 billion, a record figure that will saddle the next president with deepening budget problems in his first year in office.” But, on ABC News’s Good Morning America today, Claire Shipman reported that the deficit is actually much higher because “creative White House accounting” didn’t include the war, the unemployment costs, Medicare fees, or the housing bill in its calculations. If those numbers are included, it brings “the grand total to about $600 billion.”

the democrats better start informing the public NOW exactly what this president has cost and they price we will pay recovering these assets

Thanks Spencer!

obama is gonna have lots of fun
Bet one of his accomplishments in his first 100 days is a completely gray head of hair

1,716 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Loo Hoo and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

“…the suicide bomber who killed my son died fighting for his country.”

Sigh…(and a tear)…deja vu all over again and again and…shit, 55,000 of my brothers and sisters died teachin’ our country this very lesson. My father told me that we couldn’t beat people who were fightin’ on their own soil, in their own methods and for their own history…Jesus Christ, these are the same fuckers who gave us the Civil War, Krupp artillery, Hiroshima, Korea, Vietnam and the beat goes on and on and…we have no choice in this one, we either thow off the oligarchy and the war profiteers who are turnin’ the world into a steamin pile of toxic waste or we reach the end of history…I gotta believe that God and the Chinese won’t let us go much further.

KEEP THE FAITH, OUR HISTORY HAS CAUGHT UP WITH US AND THE WAR IS NOW OURS ALONE!

Actually – my posting that explains exactly with what is still awaiting moderation above. GW, Poppy, all of them are being blackmailed.

Who do you think the neocons are operating on behalf of?

Who do you think the neocons are operating on behalf of?

themselves, obviously, and their profit

it is brutally obvious, especially to israel, that what has happened in the middle east is not in the least bit in israels best interest

there is no “israeli blacmail” going on, this is for the depraved sociopaths in the sick fraternity who call themselves the pnac

Citizen Plunger:

It’s the Israeli fascists who are blackmailin’ our oligarchy into this but NOT the body politic of Israel…Israel suffers the same political calculus that we have been workin under fer 50 years now.

It’s been much quieter over Camp Pendleton for the last few weeks.

Holy NON COMPOS, Batboy! 41 comments and almost none sane. Is SKULZ coming to the party?

With Maliki making it a point of pride in providing protection lately, don’t you think it’s true that the female suicide bombers were sent by the McCain campaign?

RNC Liberation Army-Tanya Brigades.

Logic reason and facts did not stop the neo cons last time. A pre-emptive attack on = Iran is not out of the picture for the right wing zealots who lied us into Iraq.
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13213

July 28, 2008
The War Party’s Credo: Power Before Profits
Why the left’s analysis of imperialism is inadequate

You’ll recall that, prior to the outbreak of the war, several of our military leaders raised logistical and other technical objections: the proposed invasion force wasn’t big enough, an extended deployment would put a major strain on our military machine, and eventually the whole thing would begin to break down. Rumsfeld – he of the magical “transformation” of the US military – shut them up, and forced the worst offenders – notably Gen. Eric Shinseki – into retirement. The “over-extension” argument didn’t deter the Bushies then, and there is no reason to believe it will now.

Brian Williams recent interview with Iranian President Ahmadinejad
http://cspanjunkie.org/?p=233

The latest twisting and manipulating by Aipac
Aipac’s most recent spin on the Iranian President
http://www.aipac.org/

The right wing radicals along with Israel are hell bent on a military confrontation with Iran. They are not going to stop pushing. So we need to push back hard and we need to be persistent. Call your Reps, visit them, tell them NO NO NO strike on Iran.