Last month I wrote about how the right-wing fake-friends of Israel in American Jewry were coming after Joe Klein — a member of the Tribe — for saying something that all of us DC Jews acknowledge to be true, which is that a bunch of our neocon co-religionists, out of ignorance or mendacity, seek to steer American policy in the direction of a misguided belief of what’s good for Israel. That direction is a warlike one, and often a racist one. And for years, out of a bizarre fear that America is a more antisemitic nation than it is, they’ve believed that such a proposition can’t be uttered in mixed company, and so have succeeded in intimidating the rest of us, Jew and Gentile alike, by intimating that even breathing in that direction is antisemitic. Indeed, they will not stop until they define all of liberalism as antisemitic.
The result of the euphemistic and fearful dialogue that they have cultivated and enforced has been, among other things, an intellectual climate that enabled a war disastrous to both American and Israeli security. Good going, fellas!
So now they’ve stepped up their attacks on Joe. But Joe, to his great credit, isn’t backing down. Instead, he’s pushing the bullies back in their flabby chests.
I am not going to make the same mistake twice. I don’t think a war with Iran is coming, thank God, but this time I am not going to pull any punches. My voice isn’t very important in the grand scheme of things, but I’m going to do my job–and that means letting you know exactly where I stand and what I believe. I believe there are a small group of Jewish neoconservatives who are pushing for war with Iran because they believe it is in America’s long-term interests and because they believe Israel’s existence is at stake. They are wrong and recent history tells us they are dangerous. They are also bullies and I’m not going to be intimidated by them.
Nor should the rest of us. These people are liars, fools and stooges. They do not actually have any idea how to protect either America or Israel. Everything they believe has been decisively disproven over the last eight years. Not only do we never need to fear them, we never need to listen to them ever again, except for the purpose of merciless ridicule.
But here’s how it stops. I am challenging my fellow liberal American Jews — the vast majority of us in this country — to walk point here. Our Gentile friends look to us, as is appropriate, for pushing back on the growing canard that liberalism is antisemetism, peace is antisemetism, coexistence between Israel and Palestine is antisemetism, true security for Israel and America is antisemetism. So we have to be the ones who take the initiative in beating back the rightwing Jewish minority– something good for the Jews, good for America, good for Israel, good for the Arabs, good for peace, good for the world. Remember, they’d be the ones in the camps collaborating. Let’s show them what we do to collaborators.



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The sad part is that it took for Joe Klein to be personally attacked before he saw the light. It goes for both the Beltway media and the politial elites, sadly.
Go get ‘em, Spencer!
Bravo!
Can anyone in AIPAC seriously claim that Israel is safer or better off as a result of the Iraq war?
We have destroyed Iraq (with non-existent nukes) as a counterbalance to Iran (with possibly real nukes.) They are now allies!!
We have established Iraq as a stronghold for al-Qaeda.
We have decimated US influence in the region, making us less capable to back Israel in a crisis.
Be careful what you wish for!!
Good on you Spencer. I’ve been extremely critical of him in the past but he’s being a real mensch (HAR!) on this. I hope he keeps it up.
Thank you, Spencer. And thanks to Joe Klein too.
Thank you for this, Spencer. Well, Christy said this morning that real leadership is needed, I’m truly surprised it is coming from Joe Klein.
Well done Joe Klein.
And as more koolaid drinkers emerge, let us welcome them with open arms, instead of saying they should have done more sooner. We all might have done more sooner. If we want more people to step forward, we have to support those brave moves.
Proud Jewish Liberal here!
Excellent post, Spencer. Thank you!
Not to self-aggrandize but I’ve known these facts going on about 7 years now. I’ve been saying for years that these Israeli-firsters are the problem and don’t represent the majority of American Jews. They have been hiding behind and claim to represent all Jews then hide behind us to avoid criticism while claiming anti-semitism. The fact that these traitorous likudniks are Jewish is incidental to the fact that they operate against the best interests of this country and continue to personally endanger me as an American first and then as a Jew.
The spies who pushed for war
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..7/iraq.usa
Spies in the Pentagon?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwi…..ski91.html
Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities
http://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm
—we never need to listen to them ever again,
I suggest these same words need a slightly different order, to wit:
We need to never listen to them ever again.
It is not so much that the words can safely be disregarded, but that their words must be forcefully rejected.
Brilliant post.
amen, amen, amen, Brother Ackerman
my favorite comment:” Who are you and what have you done to Joe Klein ?”
I realized Joe had really come to jeebus when he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead – dayum
egregious – agree with you, even left him a note of thanks and encouragement
Spencer,
Thanks from a highly appreciative goyim. I would lay my life down to protect Israel’s right to exist, as long as I’m able to comment on its politics without being called an anti-Semite.
We Gentiles do need our liberal Jewish brothers and sisters to stand up to the neocon Israeli lobby. Thanks for grabbing the bull by the horns!
Hey I see some of you have Dugg this Post but others?? H/T to ThomasMifflin who open the Digg:>)
Mr Mifflin sure does his part to support the Lake… I find that many Diggs are opened by him or that he has dugg the Post… he sure is a great example to all of us showing us that even YOU can support the Lake just by Digging the Post:>) Thanks Thomas!
I get your point, but given the subject at hand, you might want to come up with a different image.
Maybe something from the *Hebrew* Scriptures . . .
Thank you for posting this.
In reality, the Neocons like Ledeen, Pearle, Wolfowitz, and the rest are putting their loyalty to Israel ABOVE the United States. I include Chertoff in that group, and most definitely Lieberman. By the way…Where’s Dov Zakheim? Where are the trillions that went missing when he was the DOD Comptroller under Rumsfeld? Where’s Kobi Alexander? Where’s Doug Feith? Why was Mel Sembler Ambassador to Italy at the same time Ledeen planted the Niger Yellowcake Forgery? Why did Sembler later host a fundraiser for Lieberman (of all people), and then head up the Scooter Libby Legal Defense Fund?
The evidence is Kristol Clear that those with dual-citizenship and dual loyalties put the United States second, and the creation of Greater Israel (Eretz Israel) first. These wars they are pushing for against Iraq, Iran and Syria are purely about territory and resource acquisition, not for the US, but for Israel.
It’s all about acquisition of land and resources on the one hand, and demographics on the other. Israel needs less Arabs and more Jews.
As for the matter of the “anti-Semitism” canard, no entity does more to foment anti-Semitism than the ADL. The false accusations of “anti-Semitism” in circumstances where it is totally unwarranted is their favorite tactic (as you will no doubt witness in this thread). Expect the Hasbara Megaphone Agents to be here in force – dropping slurs intended to shut down this discussion.
Joe Klein for once gets hundreds of positive and glowing remarks instead of the usual mocking “Joke Line” stuff.
My favorite was something like…”Where has Joe Klein gone, and what have you done with him?” (looks like chl2 has already gone there)
Thanks to Joe for once taking the side of truth and the DFHs!
Not to be picky, but unless you are schizophrenic, you are a goy. Goyim is the plural.
But seriously, I applaud your sentiment and think you really are a mensch!
Brian-Sandalist?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..eed=global
racing back to the 1st century.
SA:
I mostly agree here, but I think you’re underestimating the rationality of right-wing Israelis and their neoconservative allies here. It’s not unreasonable to argue that expanding Israel’s borders to the Jordan River, getting a treaty that cedes the Golan Heights, and, in the process, rendering its neighbors wrecks or client states is an Israeli security interest, even if you think the opposite: Until they no longer have our army over there I’ll consider what they’ve done a success for Israeli security.
Also, you should really consider getting rid of this line:
That’s pretty easy for you to say from where you’re sitting.
“Remember, they’d be the ones in the camps collaborating. Let’s show them what we do to collaborators.” Strong, strong language. Me likey. Shalom!!
Glad to see this topic is being discussed, and that Joe Klein has seen something of the light. Did people see Scheuer’s piece from a couple of weeks ago? Here is a link…
Turning the Tables on the Israel-Firsters – by Michael Scheuer
http://www.antiwar.com/scheuer/?articleid=13139
Missing Trillions
Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions.”
The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon’s money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century.
http://cleveland.indymedia.org…../14509.php
A couple trillion dollars would be enough to fund an entire coup, wouldn’t you say?
SA:
I’m a non-Jew who has frequently commented in often heated exchanges when this topic comes up. For me, personally, a few years back understanding the overlap between “neoconservative” and the Israel lobby was a kind of skeleton key to understanding our foreign policy. But a few years later, after seeing through FDL how the criminal conspirators of this administration really work (particularly after seeing how Cheney operates, and how a neocon like Scooter Libby was more of a henchman than a mastermind) and after seeing how little notion there is of a “national interest” there is among our political elite, the Jewishness of these many of these guys holds less, though still some, explanatory power. Jews are seemingly ubiquitous in the neocon enterprise because of their high profile in the press and in those propaganda mills we call think tanks; it doesn’t mean, however, that they’re omnipotent.
That all said, I have to chuckle when I see you and others saying things that I would actually consider going too far, even if I might think them. I recall, for example, a couple weeks ago the very sensible left-center M.J. said something to the effect that some Jewish neocons, e.g., Krauthammer and Brooks, don’t really believe any of the non-foreign policy precepts of neoconservatism and would just as soon be Democrats if it got them near power. That’s something I would have been reluctant to say, even if I held that prejudice, because it attributes subjective motivation to them on the basis of their Jewishness without addressing their stated arguments.
Well, that’s my little spiel. I’d like to thank you for your hard work and let you know it’s gratifying to see this kind of spirited fight from you guys at the risk to your own reputations.
That’s M.J. Rosenberg at TPM.
I don’t want to be too critical — every convert helps. But we weren’t going to war with Iran, ever. That was smoke. The real deal has always been the sanctions and they are coming and we’re all supposed to feel really grateful that Bush didn’t go nuts again and go to war.
If Sanctions work as well in Iran as they did in Iraq — nevermind. What about the proposition that we let the IAEA do their job? And what if we all clamor for negotiations with Iran, rather than a demand to end enrichment before we negotiate over ending enrichment. How about some honesty from these people in DC!
If Liberal Jews want to continue to help — then demand REAL negotiations and not this circle jerk coming out of Washington for reasons that are more likely related to the Iranian bourse than they are to Iranian nuclear power.
Lieberman said that???? some integrity in there? whoda thunk!
Oh, it was Klein! sheesh! i almost feinted!
So why did you take my earlier comment off? It was respectful and factual
Micheal Ledeen, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, John Hannah, William Luti, David and Liv Wurmser, Paul Brmer etc are not “ignorant”. They knew exactly what they were doing in the push for the invasion of Iraq and the so called “mistakes” in the implementation for stability in Iraq after the invasion. Come on add it up… The false intelligence the dissemination of that false intelligence, the undermining of Kofi Anan and Iaea’s El Baradei, too few troops, protecting oil sites while allowing Iraq’s historical treasures to be looted. Bremer disbanding of the Iraqi army, torture etc etc.
These were not mistakes this is mission accomplished in Iraq. Chaos, death
and the displacement of clsoe to 5 million Iraqi people
Read between the pipelines
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..inians.oil
http://www.jewishsf.com/conten…../411/forma
Here is Brian Williams recent interview with Iranian President Ahmadinjad
http://www.truveo.com/Full-int…..2782510894
Now here is Aipac’s most recent spin on the Iranian President
http://www.aipac.org/130.asp#14556
It does not matter if you are Jewish or not if you try to stand up to the right wing radical zealots you will be attacked. Vanessa Redgrave experienced this 30 years ago and Professor Norman Finkelstein experienced this more recently.
http://www.imemc.org/article/55050
Or when Professor Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul because of his stance on the Israeli Palestinian conflict
http://www.democracynow.org/20…..depaul_end
Some of us already have. Some of us helped kick Holy Joe out of the party. Some of us got called “traitor” (halfheartedly spoken). But it wasn’t about being Jewish or not Jewish for me, it was about being a woman and a “librul” re: Alito nomination.