After years of telling the country that setting a date for withdrawal from Iraq would lead to total disaster -- "I believe setting a deadline for withdrawal would demoralize the Iraqi people, would encourage killers across the broader Middle East, and send a signal that America will not keep its commitment," said George W. Bush on May 1, 2007 -- an out-of-options Bush may be about to capitulate to a 2011 withdrawal of combat troops, according to the Wall Street Journal.
U.S. and Iraqi negotiators reached agreement on a security deal that calls for American military forces to leave Iraq's cities by next summer as a prelude to a full withdrawal of combat troops from the country, according to senior American officials.The draft agreement sets 2011 as the goal date by which U.S. combat troops will leave Iraq, according to Iraqi Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammed al-Haj Humood and other people familiar with the matter. In the meantime, American troops will be leaving cities, towns and other population centers by the summer of 2009, living in bases outside of those areas, according to the draft.
It's possible that this report is wrong: the New York Times is reporting Humood said the deal doesn't have timetables in it, which is confusing to say the least. But if the Journal is right, so much for "demoraliz[ing]" the Iraqi people. That plan is right out of the Center for American Progress' "Strategic Redeployment" paper of 2005 -- get out of the cities, get less visible, move from a combat mission to a training mission, and then go. The left won the Iraq debate. Period.
The question, if the Journal is right, becomes whether John McCain remains the outlier from a consensus on withdrawal. His position is untenable: either he sticks with what he told the Veterans of Foreign Wars earlier this week -- "The great difference — the great difference [with Obama] — is that I intend to win" in Iraq -- and rejects the negotiated timeline; or, like Bush, he suddenly embraces what he's always said would be a disaster, thereby conceding that Obama was right all along.
There's a third possibility, of course. Bush could attempt to claim credit for ending the war ahead of the GOP convention -- the night McCain speaks is themed "peace" -- but Bush has already gone so far as recently as two months ago to reject even the concept of timelines, even as he's capitulating to them, as to make this a blatant absurdity. McCain would be laughed at if he tried to split that hair as well.
But we'll see what emerges from Iraq. Condoleezza Rice is in Baghdad this morning, and she's "dismiss[ing]... reports" that the deal is about to be done: "If I were you, I would disregard reports and rumors, anonymous statements about where this is." And true enough: the Times reports that Rice doesn't expect a final deal to emerge while she's in Iraq. Surely the Bush and McCain political staffs are figuring out what language is both consistent with their years of pronouncements on Iraq and saleable to the American public before announcing a deal.
Crossposted to The Streak.
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That’s been speculated about for ages — ie take the Iraq card away from Obama — and it is complete BS, either in theory or practice.
Can you imagine what that would actually look like ? Imagine Obama goes to the convention and declares he’s totally more pro-life than McCain. What opposition votes would this really swing ?
And this ain’t something as mentally clear-cut as abortion y/n. It would be supporting a theoretical proposal for something in a foreign country 3 years away. It won’t count for shit.
Hardly. All he has to do is declare victory. If something goes wrong, it’s the usual, “Who could have known…?” McSame is quite practiced at the Big Lie and uses it often, why should this be any different?
It’s about the construction of narratives, not facts. McCain will just define victory to mean whatever he wishes it to mean, much as he came up with the lines that he was right about Iraq (meaning the surge and overlooking his support for starting this pointless war in the first place) and that the surge was a success (despite its failure to accomplish its raison d’etre of a political settlement).
So, Spencer, you don’t think they’re doing this in part to take the legs out from under Obama’s campaign? I mean, sure, they’re just acknowledging reality, since both Presidential candidates have talked about leaving, but the bonus question probably gives Bush a thrill up one of his legs (if you know what I mean)!
moment of 2006 deja vu - when lieberman ran his general election campaign as an antiwar candidate.
Obama can also use this one to his favor…..it’s further proof that the entire Iraq debacle was designed to fill Republican pockets and to shore up the party through fear mongering.
Thom Hartman - Air America Radio host has been asking and saying for over a year what if the Repugs state victory just before the 2008 election and snatch that little issue right away from the Democrats BECAUSE from his view point, that was one of the big issues they were running on
well it aint gonna play in Peoria, but with the brand in such a tattered, broke down state it wont be aimed at the homefolks - this is their facetime with the base - whatever ‘n the f’ that is these days
The situation in Iraq is deteriorating and no one is really addressing Maliki is attempting to disband the highly touted awakening councils and is incorporating few if any into significant roles.
http://www.juancole.com/
We have been paying these guys for a couple of years to be our friends. What happens when the payments stop and the Shihites push their agenda?
According to the NYT last night the vast majority of Americans want the economy to be the most important thing. Obama wins that hands down because McC told the truth for once and said he didn’t know anything about economics.
It’s all going according to plan.
Take away #1 complaint against Bush before election.
Lower those gas prices.
Smear Obama relentlessly.
Count on a public with no attention span to vote a “war hero” into office.
I hate to be pessimistic but this thing is starting to go badly sour.
Good point; I’ve been busy with some other stuff this morning — writing this up now.
“capitulate to a 2011 withdrawal of combat troops”
Appeaser
Note that Petraeus spoke out against timeline on July 28, less than a month ago. So, I expect McCain to resist on this, which should call his judgment into question.
Perhaps McInsane should buy a home in Baghdad, since he enjoying shopping there so much, and homes are like ties to him…he doesn’t know how many he owns. Team Obama with an amazingly fast turnaround to produce this new ad. Should calm some nerves in Chicken Little-ville:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk....._on_nu.php
U.S., Iraq to set timetables over troops presence
Sounds like Rice is still waiting to seal the deal:
Well, that should free up some troops to atack Iran or Russia.
Time is running out before the UN mandate becomes history. Maliki et al have Bushco by the you Know what.
consistency is for suckers. resist it ?!?!? that craven opportunist will make it the centerpiece of his acceptance speech
I believe these murderous thugs actually think having a date puts everything on the okey-doke. ya know, “slam dunk”, Peace With Honor”, “Victory bitches!”
McSmails will use it as his BillyBaroo moment
did I mention I’m presently sleep deprived ? *g*
this was in the newsbox this morning–didn’t hit all of your links yet-
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/49581.html
be interesting to see how many things from june are in the agreement.
this was from june, back when they wanted us out
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom.....41047.html
this one from june, too–bushies watned 58 bases in iraq…
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom.....40372.html
o/t
- Elliot, are you about ?
forgot t o add, the third article, about the 58 bases says that would be an expansion, we now have 30…
Should, but wanna bet it won’t! The opponents are expert at spin!
one more–and this is a jewel.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/49538.html
BAGHDAD — A key pillar of the U.S. strategy to pacify Iraq is in danger of collapsing because the Iraqi government is failing to absorb tens of thousands of former Sunni Muslim insurgents who’d joined U.S.-allied militia groups into the country’s security forces.
American officials have credited the militias, known as the Sons of Iraq or Awakening councils, with undercutting support for the group al Qaida in Iraq and bringing peace to large swaths of the country, including Anbar province and parts of Baghdad. Under the program, the United States pays each militia member a stipend of about $300 a month and promised that they’d get jobs with the Iraqi government.
But the Iraqi government, which is led by Shiite Muslims, has brought only a relative handful of the more than 100,000 militia members into the security forces. Now officials are making it clear that they don’t intend to include most of the rest.
“We cannot stand them, and we detained many of them recently,” said one senior Iraqi commander in Baghdad, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the issue. “Many of them were part of al Qaida despite the fact that many of them are helping us to fight al Qaida.”
—-snip—-
*alert*
obama just went on the attack–bout time.
just on cnn..
brought up how mccian didn’t konw how many houses he had-said he would have to check with staff, and then later said at least 4…..and that he thinks 5 mill is rich–that no wonder he thinks the economy is ok.
raised his arm and was goin’ for it.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/08.....y-he-owns/
blue texan on the mother ship…………
we badly need an alert of new post somewhere.
Elliot was on the FDL pages up to #104 at 8:04 FDL time.
The fact is that if the WSJ is correct Bush will; simply ignore everything that he has said before, and the timeline will become the new reality. McC will do the same. The shared worldview of the repigs will allow their leaders to do this, and the fact that the MSM is heavily invested in Bush/McC will insure that the media will not mention the complete reversal of position. The new facts superceed the old facts. History is flexable, whatever is said right now is reality. 1984 is here, now.