After a day or so to think about the debate, two things stand out to me. First, McCain absolutely killed Obama on "preconditions" for negotiating with rogue states. Obama's attempts at splitting the difference between "preconditions" and "preparation" were difficult to follow and appeared euphemistic and disingenuous. Second, Obama took what I consider to be an unassailable position -- one that he's held to for over a year -- that under certain conditions of intransigence from the Pakistani government, his administration will order military and/or intelligence activities in Pakistan against al-Qaeda. McCain first signaled a substantive disagreement, then backed away from it, and finally decided that whatever the merits of the position, you don't say stuff like that in public.
These two developments are related. Or at least they're related within the context of The Obama Doctrine. Explanation after the jump.
So when I was researching Obama's foreign policy team earlier in the year, some of its members highlighted a certain development to me from the early days of the Democratic primary. It appeared to me as both a test of Obama's convictions and, not coincidentally, an indictment of the way the foreign-policy establishment operates. I may as well quote myself:
Most of the members of Obama's foreign-policy team expressed frustration that they had taken a well-considered and seemingly anodyne position on Iraq and suffered for it. Obama had something similar happen to him in the spring and summer of 2007. He was attacked from the left and the right for saying three things that should not have been controversial: that if he had actionable intelligence on the whereabouts of al-Qaeda's leadership in Pakistan but no cooperation from the Pakistani government, he would take out the jihadists; that he wouldn't use nuclear weapons on terrorist training camps; and that he would be willing to meet with leaders of rogue states in his first year as president. "No one [of Obama's critics] had thought through the policy because that was the quote-unquote naïve and weak position, so they said it was a bad position to take," recalls Ben Rhodes, the adviser who writes Obama's foreign-policy speeches. "And it was a seminal moment, because Obama himself said, 'No, I'm right about this!'"
Why's this important? First, because it shows Obama's willingness to think through a position from the perspective of first principles; and second, because it shows Obama's unwillingness to back down when criticized by those who aren't so willing. In a world where wars get started because one side lies about the rationale for invading another country and the other side acquiesces out of political cowardice, that sort of backbone is crucial for a leader.
So take the second point first. McCain surely did not want to make the case that al-Qaeda should continue unmolested in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. (Not even Bush -- after a loooooong period of lassitude and miscalculation -- thinks that!) But to acknowledge that would be to concede two points McCain can't afford to concede, based on his critique of Obama as out of his depth on foreign policy: First, that Obama has the right strategy against al-Qaeda; and second, that McCain endorsed the Iraq war at the expense of the destruction of al-Qaeda. So instead McCain said this: "[Obama] said that he would launch military strikes into Pakistan. Now, you don't do that. You don't say that out loud. If you have to do things, you have to do things, and you work with the Pakistani government."
Over the past week, the Pakistani government has let its soldiers shoot at ours. To take the most benign interpretation available: Pakistan is now in a post-Musharraf situation of upheaval, where an untested civilian leader and an untested Army chief will spend -- my guess -- the next year working out the boundaries of their power, partnership and rivalry; the wild card will be what Pakistan's intelligence service, the ISI, which created the Taliban, does. During this period, subcontracting the destruction of al-Qaeda to the Pakistanis is a fool's errand. Whether McCain believes this... I mean, the record suggests he doesn't, but who really knows? All we know for sure from the debate is that McCain doesn't believe you should talk about Pakistan. For someone who has shown an inclination to involve the U.S. in most every war possible except the one against the people who attacked the U.S. on 9/11 to now say "My policy is for you to be quiet and trust me" isn't acceptable.
This is probably better put in the context of a different post, but I need to say something about the merits of the case: military action in Pakistan is a really big deal. It is potentially destabilizing. To be euphemistic about that would be irresponsible. It's the worstest-case of worst case scenarios (absent the still-hypothetical prospect of a nuclear-armed al-Qaeda). And yet al-Qaeda has reconstituted a safe haven in Pakistan and, by the accounts of U.S. intelligence, continues to strengthen its capabilities there. When Musharraf was firmly in control -- that is, when the Islamabad government had its freest hand to deal with al-Qaeda -- al-Qaeda's presence actually metastasized. It will only get worse with a weak Islamabad government. If this is acceptable, a potential leader ought to say so. Either be direct with the American people that the risks of taking action in the FATA against al-Qaeda outweigh the benefits, or be direct that this potentially awful scenario might, in fact, be what's necessary to destroy the organization. To pick a third option -- uh, maybe, whatever, just don't say anything about this! -- is cowardly. McCain has taken the cowardly position, and Obama has taken the courageous one.
But if Obama held to the Obama Doctrine on al-Qaeda, he didn't on the "preconditions" point. McCain demagogued it -- "if without precondition you sit down across the table from someone who has called Israel a 'stinking corpse,' and wants to destroy that country and wipe it off the map, you legitimize those comments" -- and Obama had no compelling rejoinder. He equivocated on whether he'd meet with Ahmedinejad or a different Iranian leader. Most importantly, he never actually explained what he meant by "no preconditions" for negotiating, which is what gives McCain's demagoguery its force. (Now, I think I understand what Obama means: he means he'll negotiate with Iran without first demanding Iran give in to all of the U.S.'s demands, as Bush insisted for seven years. But what if I'm wrong? Obama really ought to clarify the point.) While Obama didn't exactly back down on "preconditions," he didn't offer a persuasive rationale for why Americans ought to embrace his position, either.
All told, I think "The Obama Doctrine" prefigured the debate fairly well, much as I continue to believe it'll be a serviceable guide to what Obama will do on the global stage as president. But that doesn't mean that the Doctrine is a Rosetta Stone, unlocking the secrets of geopolitics and guiding the country to peace and prosperity. The world is too awful and unpredictable for that. What the Doctrine offers is a maturity, a strength, a wisdom and a humanity lacking from its alternatives. In order to adopt it, though, Obama will have to argue again and again and again for its merits -- without fear and without apology.
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I disagree that McCain “killed” Obama on preconditions unless you mean it only in terms of the debate.
Thinking it through, McCain scores more heavily on publicly humiliating the brand-new Pakistani government.
What does COIN doctrine have to say concerning gratuitously abusing authority figures who may well prove useful?
I think in this case that you have to let the Pak Gov settle in and let the weight of the economy convince them that they can’t afford to support the insurgents. If you get them to press down on the Tribal Areas for the winter, it will
ease matters for us. After the bombing, they can do so without looking like puppets.
Back to the debate, Obama doesn’t need a win,merely a draw. McCain’s support will diminish after a bailout. Check the polls ten days after any announcement.
The Debates
How about the continuous “mangling” of what Iranian President Ahmadenijad has said about Israel. McCain repeated that the President of Iran has said that “Israel should be wiped off the map” four times four times during the debate. And got away with it. Jim Lehrer did not challenge him.
Last week I heard Barbara Slavin who was a guest on C-spans Washington Joural allow a caller to repeat this false statement and then Barbara Slavin said “good questions” and did not dispute the caller repeating these false statements. Barbara went onto repeat the false statements.
http://www.c-span.org/video_rss.aspx?MediaID=38322
This past week On Fresh Air Terri Gross repeated the same inaccurate interpretation of what the Iranian President allegedly said. Terri Grosss repeated this inaccuracy twice.
Sarah Palin repeated this false statement during her interview with Katie Couric last week.
This inaccurate and inflammatory statement attributed to the Iranian President has been endlessly repeated the last four years by Senator McCain (Chris Matthews and Stephanpolous let him get away with it and repeat the unsubstantiated claims that Iran has a nuclear weapons program), Micheal Ledeen, James Woolsey, John Bolton (Talk of the Nations Neil Conan gave John Bolton 40 minutes to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran. Neil Conan did not challenge him once.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9942906
Cheney repeats these false claims and misquotes. So does Reuel Marc Gerecht, Condi Rice, Bill Kristol etc etc.
The MSM seems to have learned very little from the build up to the invasion of Iraq. I have not heard one reporter, pundit or moderator challenge those who repeat these inaccurate statements. This is so dangerous and has gone far too long
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Professor Juan Cole has directly interpreted just what President Ahmadenijad said about Israel. Both Rep Ron Paul and Rep Kucinich have tried to bring attention to this issue
http://www.juancole.com/2007/0…..mitic.html
Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Ahmadinejad: “I am not anti-Semitic”
Palestinians should Decide on Two-State Solution
Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul continue to show themselves among the few in Congress with any integrity and backbone. They declined to go along with a resolution charging Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad with incitement to genocide, given his alleged call for Israel to be ‘wiped off the face of the map.’
As most of my readers know, Ahmadinejad did not use that phrase in Persian. He quoted an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini calling for ‘this occupation regime over Jerusalem” to “vanish from the page of time.’ Calling for a regime to vanish is not the same as calling for people to be killed. Ahmadinejad has not to my knowledge called for anyone to be killed. (Wampum has more; as does the American Street).
WHY HAVE THE MAINSTREAMERS ALLOWED THIS TO GO ON?
Spencer you repeat the inaccurate interpretation of what the Iranian President has said about Israel. He did not say that Iran wants to ‘wipe Israel off the Map” Ahmadinejad said Zionism will “vanish from the pages of time”.
I am in direct contact with Professor Juan Cole who directly interpreted what the Iranian President has said about Israel. I trust him far more than the folks who started repeating this inaccurate statement several years ago. I am going to ask him about the “stinking corpse” statement to find out if this is true.
So why do you as well as Barbara Slavin, Sarah Palin, Terri Gross and so many others continue to repeat this inaccurate and dangerously wrong interpretation of what the Iranian President has said about Israel?
DID ANYONE HEAR ANY QUESTIONS DURING THE DEBATE ABOUT THE ISRAELI PALESTINIAN CONFLICT?
Guess the assertions that Mearsheimer, Walt and many others in the past have put forward that the I/P conflict is not up for debate or discussion in our Presidential debates or in our Media (including the so called progressive blogosphere)
I agree. I was waiting for Obama (not likely to be McCain) to bring up the five former Secretaries recent statements about supporting negotiations with Iran. Although I thought Obama lost ground by not hammering their stances more. Learning from the past, accessing the insights, wisdom and knowledge that these former secretaries of state possess.
I also wonder why Obama never brings up the NIE on Iran and how important it is to work with the IAEA.
Leen, I quoted what McCain in the context of making a point about his demagoguery. Read closer before you start intimating things about me.
Spencer you are absolutely right and thanks for pointing that out. After listening to Barbara Slavin, Sarah Palin, Terri Gross and John McCain repeat that false statement…I jumped. I apologize. Thanks for pointing this out about McCain. It has been driving me crazy at how often this falsehood has been repeated the last several years.
I have just written Cole asking him for the direct translation of the alleged “stinking corpse” claims.
Amy Goodman interviewed Ahmadinejad this past week. Great interview
http://www.democracynow.org/20.....ad_on_iran
Amy is one of the best journalist out there. She is one of the only folks to even mention the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I believe she deals with it fairly and accurately.
Did you make contact with my friend Haroon in Afghanistan?
Amy’s interview Part I (the above link is part II
http://www.democracynow.org/20.....ad_on_iran
Er… yeah, that’s kind of the problem. Juan Cole’s interpretations are a little suspect. He spoke last week at the UN, you know, our favourite Iranian. Slate’s womens’ blog described his remarks thusly:
Juan Cole — who as you point out, has a career predicated on being informed on what Ahmadinejad has said — then wrote up his criticism concerning the remarks of this man. Where he criticised Obama for being too hard on him. These comments about the sneaky Jews that control everything that he hopes will be removed from the pages of history, not so much worthy of a mention.
I don’t know how much clearer anyone could make this for you.
President Bush claimed Putin had a goos soul a few years ago. Since then, when all his subsequent actions contradicted this, it’s been a little hard to find someone gullible or ignorant enough to point to this one-off ignorant assessment as still being worthy of mention.
So, you know, feel free not to contact Mr Cole as though this would count for anything.
I think you are ‘interpreting’ remarks from a biased point of view. There are many Jews in Israel who are antagonistic to the ‘Zionists’ and who also believe they are a small group, and deceitful and manipulative.
On this point, I cannot speak to the EU, but I would call your attention to AIPAC - that group definitely controls US Foreign policy, and I would argue, a lot of other policy matters including financial matters - although not in the manner you seem to be implying - and your implication seems to be more anti-Semitic than what Ahmadinejad actually said. AIPAC controls the political money in our system. Hillary went there for a huge donation when her campaign was first in money troubles. She knew she could, since she had already appeared at AIPAC convention and told them all what they wanted to hear. AIPAC is considered to be much more extreme, hardline and ‘zionist’ than the majority of people who actually live in Israel. And many Israeli politicians have said they wished AIPAC would ramp down their rhetoric, and their pressure on the US and occasionally on the Israeli government in making demands regarding what they (AIPAC) wants to happen with regards to the Palestinian conflict and Israel’s relations with its neighbors. Most Israelis would also like their current government consigned to the pages of history given the corruption that is at its center and the fact of Ehud Olmert soon going to trial.
Juan Cole is far more credible than anyone else I can think of on this matter - and because of the ‘translational’ issues around everything that the right-wing press says that Ahmadinejad says - I’ll take his opinions and criticisms.
Try speaking just for yourself then. Try claiming with a straight fact that the sneaky jews controlling the media and the banks reference may be about AIPAC (banks?) rather than just yet another obvious repetition of that old favourite you’ll need to lie to claim unfamiliarity with.
Just say it.
LMAO. WTF do you think everyone is wearing headphones at UN addresses for pal ?
Try and not soil yourself when discovering that foreign leaders speaking at the UN are translated by language experts whose credentials far exceed those of Juan Cole. Seriously. What do you think has been going on for the last 60 years… awkward hand signals ?
Christ, is there really no level you won’t sink to in offering pathetic, implausible excuses for this man ?
Juan Coles translations are correct and to be trusted. The I lobby has turned on Juan Cole just as they have done with others who have criticized Israel or U.S. foreign policy in regard to the Israeli Palestinian conflict including Norman Finkelstein
http://www.richardsilverstein&.....t-at-yale/
Spencer did you make contact with my friend Haroon in Afghanistan?
Juan Cole’s translations can neither be distrusted nor trusted since they are absent. Just like your acknowledgment of that those professional translators who did translate his remarks to the objections of nobody - Iran included - and what they said.
As mentioned, this is more than a little suspect both for someone with a career built on defending translations of this man and someone defending him about how accurate his translations are.
Another way of avoiding the point is just not posting. Make you look a lot less lame in the process too. An apologist who can’t come up with an apology is just someone who can’t bring themselves to disagree with the obvious.