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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/theobamadoctrineandthedebate/comment-page-1/#comment-2385</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Juan Coles translations are correct and to be trusted.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Juan Cole’s translations can neither be distrusted nor trusted since they are absent. Just like your acknowledgment of that those professional translators who did translate his remarks to the objections of nobody - Iran included - and what they said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As mentioned, this is more than a little suspect both for someone with a career built on defending translations of this man and someone defending him about how accurate his translations are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another way of avoiding the point is just not posting. Make you look a lot less lame in the process too. An apologist who can’t come up with an apology is just someone who can’t bring themselves to disagree with the obvious.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Juan Coles translations are correct and to be trusted.</p>
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<p>Juan Cole’s translations can neither be distrusted nor trusted since they are absent. Just like your acknowledgment of that those professional translators who did translate his remarks to the objections of nobody &#8211; Iran included &#8211; and what they said.</p>
<p>As mentioned, this is more than a little suspect both for someone with a career built on defending translations of this man and someone defending him about how accurate his translations are.</p>
<p>Another way of avoiding the point is just not posting. Make you look a lot less lame in the process too. An apologist who can’t come up with an apology is just someone who can’t bring themselves to disagree with the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spencer did you make contact with my friend Haroon in Afghanistan?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer did you make contact with my friend Haroon in Afghanistan?</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/theobamadoctrineandthedebate/comment-page-1/#comment-2379</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Juan Coles translations are correct and to be trusted.  The I lobby has turned on Juan Cole just as they have done with others who have criticized Israel or U.S. foreign policy in regard to the Israeli Palestinian conflict including Norman Finkelstein&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2006/06/17/pro-israel-neocons-torpedo-juan-cole-academic-appointment-at-yale/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.richardsilverstein&amp;.....t-at-yale/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan Coles translations are correct and to be trusted.  The I lobby has turned on Juan Cole just as they have done with others who have criticized Israel or U.S. foreign policy in regard to the Israeli Palestinian conflict including Norman Finkelstein</p>
<p><a href="http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2006/06/17/pro-israel-neocons-torpedo-juan-cole-academic-appointment-at-yale/" rel="nofollow">http://www.richardsilverstein&amp;&#8230;..t-at-yale/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/theobamadoctrineandthedebate/comment-page-1/#comment-2373</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On this point, I cannot speak to the EU”
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&lt;p&gt;Try speaking just for yourself then. Try claiming with a straight fact that the sneaky jews controlling the media and the banks reference may be about  AIPAC (banks?) rather than just yet another obvious repetition of that old favourite you’ll need to lie to claim unfamiliarity with.&lt;br /&gt;
Just say it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Juan Cole is far more credible than anyone else I can think of on this matter - and because of the ‘translational’ issues around everything that the right-wing press says that Ahmadinejad says - I’ll take his opinions and criticisms.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LMAO. WTF do you think everyone is wearing headphones at UN addresses for pal ?&lt;br /&gt;
Try and not soil yourself when discovering that foreign leaders speaking at the UN are translated by language experts whose credentials far exceed those of Juan Cole. Seriously. What do you think has been going on for the last 60 years… awkward hand signals ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Christ, is there really no level you won’t sink to in offering pathetic, implausible excuses for this man ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On this point, I cannot speak to the EU”
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<p>Try speaking just for yourself then. Try claiming with a straight fact that the sneaky jews controlling the media and the banks reference may be about  AIPAC (banks?) rather than just yet another obvious repetition of that old favourite you’ll need to lie to claim unfamiliarity with.<br />
Just say it.</p>
<blockquote><p>Juan Cole is far more credible than anyone else I can think of on this matter &#8211; and because of the ‘translational’ issues around everything that the right-wing press says that Ahmadinejad says &#8211; I’ll take his opinions and criticisms.</p>
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<p>LMAO. WTF do you think everyone is wearing headphones at UN addresses for pal ?<br />
Try and not soil yourself when discovering that foreign leaders speaking at the UN are translated by language experts whose credentials far exceed those of Juan Cole. Seriously. What do you think has been going on for the last 60 years… awkward hand signals ?</p>
<p>Christ, is there really no level you won’t sink to in offering pathetic, implausible excuses for this man ?</p>
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		<title>By: lokywoky</title>
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		<dc:creator>lokywoky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“The dignity, integrity and rights of the American and European people are being played with by a small but deceitful number of people called Zionists&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you are ‘interpreting’ remarks from a biased point of view.  There are many Jews in Israel who are antagonistic to the ‘Zionists’ and who also believe they are a small group, and deceitful and manipulative.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Although they are a minuscule minority, they have been dominating an important portion of the financial and monetary centers as well as the political decision-making centers of some European countries and the U.S. in a deceitful, complex and furtive manner.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On this point, I cannot speak to the EU, but I would call your attention to AIPAC - that group definitely controls US Foreign policy, and I would argue, a lot of other policy matters including financial matters - although not in the manner you seem to be implying - and your implication seems to be more anti-Semitic than what Ahmadinejad actually said.  AIPAC controls the political money in our system.  Hillary went there for a huge donation when her campaign was first in money troubles.  She knew she could, since she had already appeared at AIPAC convention and told them all what they wanted to hear.  AIPAC is considered to be much more extreme, hardline and ‘zionist’ than the majority of people who actually live in Israel.  And many Israeli politicians have said they wished AIPAC would ramp down their rhetoric, and their pressure on the US and occasionally on the Israeli government in making demands regarding what they (AIPAC) wants to happen with regards to the Palestinian conflict and Israel’s relations with its neighbors.  Most Israelis would also like their current government consigned to the pages of history given the corruption that is at its center and the fact of Ehud Olmert soon going to trial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Juan Cole is far more credible than anyone else I can think of on this matter - and because of the ‘translational’ issues around everything that the right-wing press says that Ahmadinejad says - I’ll take his opinions and criticisms.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“The dignity, integrity and rights of the American and European people are being played with by a small but deceitful number of people called Zionists</p>
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<p>I think you are ‘interpreting’ remarks from a biased point of view.  There are many Jews in Israel who are antagonistic to the ‘Zionists’ and who also believe they are a small group, and deceitful and manipulative.</p>
<blockquote><p>Although they are a minuscule minority, they have been dominating an important portion of the financial and monetary centers as well as the political decision-making centers of some European countries and the U.S. in a deceitful, complex and furtive manner.</p>
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<p>On this point, I cannot speak to the EU, but I would call your attention to AIPAC &#8211; that group definitely controls US Foreign policy, and I would argue, a lot of other policy matters including financial matters &#8211; although not in the manner you seem to be implying &#8211; and your implication seems to be more anti-Semitic than what Ahmadinejad actually said.  AIPAC controls the political money in our system.  Hillary went there for a huge donation when her campaign was first in money troubles.  She knew she could, since she had already appeared at AIPAC convention and told them all what they wanted to hear.  AIPAC is considered to be much more extreme, hardline and ‘zionist’ than the majority of people who actually live in Israel.  And many Israeli politicians have said they wished AIPAC would ramp down their rhetoric, and their pressure on the US and occasionally on the Israeli government in making demands regarding what they (AIPAC) wants to happen with regards to the Palestinian conflict and Israel’s relations with its neighbors.  Most Israelis would also like their current government consigned to the pages of history given the corruption that is at its center and the fact of Ehud Olmert soon going to trial.</p>
<p>Juan Cole is far more credible than anyone else I can think of on this matter &#8211; and because of the ‘translational’ issues around everything that the right-wing press says that Ahmadinejad says &#8211; I’ll take his opinions and criticisms.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Professor Juan Cole has directly interpreted just what President Ahmadenijad said about Israel. Ahmadinejad: “I am not anti-Semitic”
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&lt;p&gt;Er… yeah, that’s kind of the problem. Juan Cole’s interpretations are a little suspect. He spoke last week at the UN, you know, our favourite Iranian. Slate’s womens’ blog described his remarks thusly:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ahmadinejad was embraced and applauded by other member nations for an anti-Semitic rant right out of Der Sturmer. This Holocaust denier who weekly predicts a second Holocaust for the state of Israel, warned the assembled delegates of the powers of sly, manipulative Jews: “The dignity, integrity and rights of the American and European people are being played with by a small but deceitful number of people called Zionists. Although they are a minuscule minority, they have been dominating an important portion of the financial and monetary centers as well as the political decision-making centers of some European countries and the U.S. in a deceitful, complex and furtive manner.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Juan Cole — who as you point out, has a career predicated on being informed on what Ahmadinejad has said — then wrote up his criticism concerning the remarks of this man. Where he criticised Obama for being too hard on him. These comments about the sneaky Jews that control everything that he hopes will be removed from the pages of history, not so much worthy of a mention. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know how much clearer anyone could make this for you. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;President Bush claimed Putin had a goos soul a few years ago. Since then, when all his subsequent actions contradicted this, it’s been a little hard to find someone gullible or ignorant enough to point to this one-off ignorant assessment as still being worthy of mention.&lt;br /&gt;
So, you know, feel free not to contact Mr Cole as though this would count for anything.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Professor Juan Cole has directly interpreted just what President Ahmadenijad said about Israel. Ahmadinejad: “I am not anti-Semitic”
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<p>Er… yeah, that’s kind of the problem. Juan Cole’s interpretations are a little suspect. He spoke last week at the UN, you know, our favourite Iranian. Slate’s womens’ blog described his remarks thusly:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ahmadinejad was embraced and applauded by other member nations for an anti-Semitic rant right out of Der Sturmer. This Holocaust denier who weekly predicts a second Holocaust for the state of Israel, warned the assembled delegates of the powers of sly, manipulative Jews: “The dignity, integrity and rights of the American and European people are being played with by a small but deceitful number of people called Zionists. Although they are a minuscule minority, they have been dominating an important portion of the financial and monetary centers as well as the political decision-making centers of some European countries and the U.S. in a deceitful, complex and furtive manner.”</p>
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<p>Juan Cole — who as you point out, has a career predicated on being informed on what Ahmadinejad has said — then wrote up his criticism concerning the remarks of this man. Where he criticised Obama for being too hard on him. These comments about the sneaky Jews that control everything that he hopes will be removed from the pages of history, not so much worthy of a mention. </p>
<p>I don’t know how much clearer anyone could make this for you. </p>
<p>President Bush claimed Putin had a goos soul a few years ago. Since then, when all his subsequent actions contradicted this, it’s been a little hard to find someone gullible or ignorant enough to point to this one-off ignorant assessment as still being worthy of mention.<br />
So, you know, feel free not to contact Mr Cole as though this would count for anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amy’s interview Part I (the above link is part II&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/26/iranian_president_mahmoud_ahmedinejad_on_iran&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/20.....ad_on_iran&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy’s interview Part I (the above link is part II<br /><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/26/iranian_president_mahmoud_ahmedinejad_on_iran" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20&#8230;..ad_on_iran</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spencer you are absolutely right and thanks for pointing that out.  After listening to Barbara Slavin, Sarah Palin, Terri Gross and John McCain repeat that false statement…I jumped.  I apologize.  Thanks for pointing this out about McCain.  It has been driving me crazy at how often this falsehood has been repeated the last several years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have just written Cole asking him for the direct translation of the alleged “stinking corpse” claims.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy Goodman interviewed Ahmadinejad this past week.  Great interview&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/26/iranian_president_mahmoud_ahmedinejad_on_iran&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/20.....ad_on_iran&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy is one of the best journalist out there.  She is one of the only folks to even mention the Israeli Palestinian conflict.  I believe she deals with it fairly and accurately.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did you make contact with my friend Haroon in Afghanistan?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer you are absolutely right and thanks for pointing that out.  After listening to Barbara Slavin, Sarah Palin, Terri Gross and John McCain repeat that false statement…I jumped.  I apologize.  Thanks for pointing this out about McCain.  It has been driving me crazy at how often this falsehood has been repeated the last several years.</p>
<p>I have just written Cole asking him for the direct translation of the alleged “stinking corpse” claims.</p>
<p>Amy Goodman interviewed Ahmadinejad this past week.  Great interview<br /><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/26/iranian_president_mahmoud_ahmedinejad_on_iran" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20&#8230;..ad_on_iran</a></p>
<p>Amy is one of the best journalist out there.  She is one of the only folks to even mention the Israeli Palestinian conflict.  I believe she deals with it fairly and accurately.</p>
<p>Did you make contact with my friend Haroon in Afghanistan?</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer Ackerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer Ackerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Leen, I quoted what McCain in the context of making a point about his demagoguery. Read closer before you start intimating things about me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leen, I quoted what McCain in the context of making a point about his demagoguery. Read closer before you start intimating things about me.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree.  I was waiting for Obama (not likely to be McCain) to bring up the five former Secretaries recent statements about supporting negotiations with Iran.  Although I thought Obama lost ground by not hammering their stances more.  Learning from the past, accessing the insights, wisdom and knowledge that these former secretaries of state possess.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also wonder why Obama never brings up the NIE on Iran and how important it is to work with the IAEA.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I was waiting for Obama (not likely to be McCain) to bring up the five former Secretaries recent statements about supporting negotiations with Iran.  Although I thought Obama lost ground by not hammering their stances more.  Learning from the past, accessing the insights, wisdom and knowledge that these former secretaries of state possess.</p>
<p>I also wonder why Obama never brings up the NIE on Iran and how important it is to work with the IAEA.</p>
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