So here it comes: the scary black man who wants to kill U.S. troops.
Not a word of this is true, obviously. It's basically self-refuting to see the McCain campaign clip off Obama's full Afghanistan comments from August -- "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there" -- which is an obvious call to bolster troop levels. The concern about civilian casualties were echoed by such America-haters as Hamid Karzai and George Bush, as even this Nedra Pickler (!) factcheck points out.And to their ranks, let's add Gen. McClellan McKiernan, from his press conference at the Newseum last week, when he discussed the counterproductivity of civilian casualties to counterinsurgency in Afghanistan. This is a transcript from my voice recorder:
[Shows a slide of himself at a meeting of Afghan villagers] The picture in the bottom center, if I could dwell on that for just a second, yes, that's myself with my back turned to you, at a province that doesn't need to be named, and it has to do with civilian casualties. It's an episode -- and I'd like to dwell on civilian casualties with you for a minute. We take great measures to try to avoid civilian casualties. But when a mistake is made and inadvertently there is a loss of civilian life unintentionally, we try to make sure that we get out with the truth as quickly as we can. We have a hard time beating the insurgent to the story because he's not concerned with the truth. But in this particular case I went to this location and talked with a group of tribal elders in an area where we think we inadvertently caused some civilian casualties. And to tell you what an incredible sort of population lives in Afghanistan, that fellow sitting in the middle of the picture there, he lost seven members of his family. Yet he came and talked to me that day, allowed me to apologize to him, allowed us to have a shura, allowed us to talk, and at the end of the day he professed that he did not want the Taliban back in power, that he supported the presence of international forces. I don't think that would happen in our country, in the United States of America. I don't think someone that lost seven members of their family would come sit down with somebody in the military and even have a discussion. But it tells you about the resiliency of that population. But I hope you ask me something else about civilian casualties, because that's something we try to go to great lengths to avoid in that country. ...
[Reporter asks question about civilian casualties]... First of all, it's important that ISAF, that the military, try to come out with the truth as quickly as possible. But we inherently play catch-up to anybody that reports a number or an event. We do try at least to get a truthful accounting in the media. It's very difficult to come up with numbers in Afghanistan after there's been a military operation. A lot of that's cultural, because people generally are taken away and buried quite quickly in that culture, so it's not like you can exploit a site for a period of time and come up with an accurate number, so a lot of it's based on estimates. And then finally I won't go into specifics on rules of engagement, but I'll say that principles such as positive identification of targets to the best of our ability, the concept of proportionality, precise planning considerations on type of weapons and use of weapons -- all of that is factored in, all of that is attempted to be disciplined in units before they even come to the theater. But when you fight a counterinsurgency, by the nature of an insurgency, where the enemy mixes in with the population, it is virtually impossible to completely avoid civilian casualties in that kind of environment.
McCain's new slogan really ought to be Dishonor Before Death.
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oh be jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebus
thats just disgusting
What is true of the enemy is also true of the Republicans!
Mullen said he is convinced the Afghanistan war can be won but said the U.S. urgently needs to improve its nation-building initiatives and its cross-border strategy with Pakistan.
“We can’t kill our way to victory, and no armed force anywhere — no matter how good — can deliver these keys alone. It requires teamwork and cooperation,” Mullen said.
Notice all the TROOPS are white?
I am behind a youtube firewall. can someone tell me what’s in the clip?
The Amish forgave for the murder of those girls and young women. Others would not be so forgiving.
Joe Klein just linked here from his Time blog “Swampland”…
thursday night-
Barriclueless: “Barack Obama voted against funding troops there after promising that he would not do so”
Biden: “Number two, with regard to Barack Obama not quote funding the troops, John McCain voted the exact same way. John McCain voted against funding the troops because of an amendment he voted against had a timeline in it to draw down American troops.”
1,787 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Spencer Akerman and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I am now convinced that irony is one of God’s little jokes on us…usin’ Crazy John McCain and Sarah Streetwalker Palin ta get us ta outta Iraq and bogged down fatally in Afgahnistan must be makin’ old Aristophenes howl with laughter.
Truthfully, the amount of bullshit and lies that are gunna fly in the next few weeks may very well cover the theft of the last dollar from the treasury…JEEzus, this is not politics this is somethin out of a bad Sartre play!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, ALL OF THE BASTARDS HAFTA GO!!
“But it tells you about the resiliency of that population” When you have been pounded by the British, then the Russians,Over 1 million Afghans were killed.[58] 5 million Afghans fled to Pakistan and Iran, 1/3 of the prewar population of the country. Another 2 million Afghans were displaced within the country. In the 1980s, one out of two refugees in the world was an Afghan.[59]
Along with fatalities were 1.2 million Afghans disabled (mujahideen, government soldiers and noncombatants) and 3 million maimed or wounded (primarily noncombatants).[60]
Irrigation systems, crucial to agriculture in Afghanistan’s arid climate, were destroyed by aerial bombing and strafing by Soviet or Afghan communist forces. In the worst year of the war, 1985, well over half of all the farmers who remained in Afghanistan had their fields bombed, and over one quarter had their irrigation systems destroyed and their livestock shot by Soviet or Afghan Communist troops, according to a survey conducted by Swedish relief experts [61]
The population of Afghanistan’s second largest city, Kandahar, was reduced from 200,000 before the war to no more than 25,000 inhabitants, following a months-long campaign of carpet bombing and bulldozing by the Soviets and Afghan communist soldiers in 1987.[62] Land mines had killed 25,000 Afghans during the war and another 10-15 million land mines, most planted by Soviet and Afghan government forces, were left scattered throughout the countryside to kill and maim.[63]
A great deal of damage was done to the civilian children population by land mines. A 2005 report estimated 3-4% of the Afghan population were disabled due to Soviet and Afghan communist land mines. In the city of Quetta, a survey of refugee women and children taken shortly after the Soviet withdrawal found over 80% of the children refugees unregistered and child mortality at 31%. Of children who survived, 67% were severely malnourished, with malnutrition increasing with age.[64]
Critics of Soviet and Afghan communist forces describe their effect on Afghan culture as working in three stages: first, the center of customary Afghan culture, Islam, was pushed aside; second, Soviet patterns of life, especially amongst the young, were imported; third, shared Afghan cultural characteristics were destroyed by the emphasis on so-called nationalities, with the outcome that the country was split into different ethnic groups, with no language, religion, or culture in common.[65]
….Let’s not forget that Afghanistan has the International drug cartel entrenched in the country.
“Resilient” or just so beat down by outside invasions and meddling… that death, chaos, murder and destruction are just every day events that you have become accustomed to?
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Amy Goodman’s recent interview with Robert Fisk on Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.democracynow.org/20.....ior_robert
Fisk says that the Taliban are in control of half of Afghanistan
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McBush has reached the point of no return—unless he creates an earthquake, or benefits from one, he’s back in the senate packin five pounds of pork into one pound bags…he’s got nothin ta lose.
The scary black man meme is the only one any Rethug knows. Even Mica was pushin’ that subtext in his questions to the Lehman Bros exec at the Waxman hearing today…it was all those subprime mortgages the govt forced, doncha know.
Mica, Fuld, what a pack of thieves, the lot of them.
Press kept under a watchful eye
CLEARWATER — Constantly under the watchful eyes of security, the media wasn’t permitted to wander around inside Coachman Park to talk to Sarah Palin supporters. When reporters tried to leave the designated press area and head toward the bleachers where the crowd was seated, an escort would dart out of nowhere and confront him or her and say, “Can I help you?” and turn the person around.
When one reporter asked an escort, who would not give her name, why the press wasn’t allowed to mingle, she said that in the past, negative things had been written. The campaign wanted to avoid that possibility Monday.
the dems really gotta get on that. obviously it’s all about the economy. mccain people have found a way to blame it on black people (o.e. not qualified for mortgages). get on this boys & girls.
Obama leading in all Kerry states PLUS Iowa and New Mexico- putting him at 264 electoral votes..
eight states are too close to call..
If Obama wins Co, Mo, In, Oh, Va, NC, or Florida, (and holds the states in which he is leading- it’s all over. If he adds Nv- the election is thrown into the house and the dem majority gives it to him anyway.
while people at FDL blame it on Obamna
repeat and rinse as needed up until election day
O/T more McCain lies (per TPM)
LOL. I get along witn Selise, and you, so i’m not gettin’ in the middle. *
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Marcy hosting Barton Gellman, author of Angler
You’re not reading the same polls I am, RW!
Also, there’s FiveThirtyEight…
Tnis ad really disgusts me. Afghanistan is too important what with it being so close.
[US troops] “are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” [Palin] told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.
The McCain campaign ad that is most riveting is the one where Palin reveals how, when she was mayor ,Obama raped and sodomized her. She could prove it, too, if only she had had the money for the rape kit.
bbbut Cindy says there isn’t going to be any negative stuff coming from their campaign! just you watch. /s
what is she? stoned or somethin’?
Citizen CTuttle:
Don’t get in a numbers debate with Citizen rwcole…Brother rw has his own math and it’s always closer ta Rove’s than any of the reputable public sources (he used ta use “The Cook Report” a lot). I think that it’s clear that the election is over if McCrazy is leavin Michigan, spendin time in Virginia and sendin’the woman in the red dress ta Florida while flushin’ his fascist sewer line into campaign commercials. In order for this to work, he hasta be within the margin of error and have favorables (read credibility) on the plus side…if he had any shot at winnin’ he wouldn’t be dosin’ the public with more shit about Obama…he would be buildin his own favorables.
Senator Crazy John McCain has lost this election and now the question is how many of the fascist gobblins in Congress is he gunna take with ‘im.
response to karmamountain -
This pdf links to a POGO (Project ON Govt Oversight) piece on a bit of S. California boondoggle called Bajaqua - San Diego sewage project
so that’s just one of ol Darth’s projects
and don’t forget Wade & Wilkes (Duke Cunningham) had about 100 shell companies accepting millions in political donations from their “employees” even when the company was merely staffed with a receptionist and a desk
DKos Link
don’t forget, one of these clowns was contracted for OVP Office Furniture
Post Turtle
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher
whose hand was caught in a gate while working with cattle,
the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually,
the topic got around to Sarah Palin and her bid to to be a heartbeat
away from being President.
The old rancher said, “Well, ya know, Palin is a post turtle.”
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post
turtle was.
The old rancher said, “When you’re driving down a country road and you
come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a post turtle.”
He continued, “You know she didn’t get up there by herself, she doesn’t
belong up there, she doesn’t know what to do while she is up there, if she
tries to make a move she’ll fall down hard, and you just wonder what kind
of dumb ass put her up there to begin with.”
perhaps we need an add: “Are you sure a vote for a President McCain is really a vote for President Palin? Think before you vote.”
ad, and “really isn’t a vote” in #30 above
That’s really funny
The McCain campaign keeps getting away with this for two reasons: 1) most people believe everything they read or see on TV and 2) the media in this country has abandoned its role of watchdog and truth teller: http://brainrageblog.blogspot......-lies.html
here’s whut i kno about john mcclone…
if this is about ’anti-american’ wm ayers…
destroying pentagon property…
it would then be logical…
to assume mcclone is…
even mor ’anti-american’…
cuz he destroy’d 5 planes!!!
btw…
that ‘post turtle’ comment…
was dun by call-in…
on c-span wash journal…
three-four days ago…
This is a great post & some of the comments are excellent, too. When I see that tag “Change is Coming” on the McCain ad, it makes me immediately think of Obama’s “Campaign for Change”; that is, despite all the crap in the ad itself, in the last frame, it looks like a pro-Obama message — a reminder that we need change from the party of the current Administration. For more on the sludge McCain & Palin are dishing up, please go to http://www.realitychex.com
In July of 2008, coalition forces executed an air strike which killed a wedding party. 47 civilians died, including 39 women and children, one of which was the bride.
A few weeks later, another air strike killed 90 civilians, including 60 kids under the age of 17.
This is the inevitable consequences of war.
Or “Dishonor Before Imminent Death; at which point, if I am so blessed as to have been elected by you as your President, I will have put the country in a monumentally dangerous position by having selected a supremely unqualified person as my Vice President.”