So the reason why I didn’t post at all today is because I was at a talk that Gen. Petraeus gave to the Heritage Foundation. It was basically set up to be a victory lap, and given the audience, you could have imagined any number of subtle remarks designed to bolster the McCain campaign. But it seemed a lot like McCain’s mancrush on Petraeus is unrequited. Petraeus took a number of opportunities that very, very subtly appeared to help out Barack Obama. Here’s my writeup for the Washington Independent:
“Some of the concepts used in Iraq are transplantable [to Afghanistan] while others perhaps are not,” he said. “Every situation is unique.”
Petraeus pointed to efforts by Hamid Karzai’s government to negotiate a deal with the Taliban that would potentially bring some Taliban members back to power, saying that if they are “willing to reconcile,” it would be “a positive step.”
In saying that, Petraeus implicitly allied with U.S. Army Gen. David McKiernan, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan. Last week, McKiernan rejected the idea of replicating the blend of counterinsurgency strategy employed in Iraq. “The word that I don’t use in Afghanistan is the word ’surge,’” McKiernan said, opting against recruiting Pashtun tribal fighters to supplement Afghan security forces against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. “There are countless other differences between Iraq and Afghanistan,” he added.
McCain, however, has argued that the Afghanistan war is ripe for a direct replication of Petraeus’ Iraq strategy of population-centric counterinsurgency. “Sen. Obama calls for more troops,” McCain said in the Sept. 26 debate, “but what he doesn’t understand, it’s got to be a new strategy, the same strategy that he condemned in Iraq. It’s going to have to be employed in Afghanistan.”
And on and on like that. I’m open to the idea that I was reading too much into these remarks. But really, I don’t think so. Either way I figure you’ll tell me in comments.



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Petraeus says things that seem to favor Obama’s POV over McCain’s. This could mean, as you seem to imply, that Petraeus either prefers Obama as a president, or substantively agrees with his policies. Or it could mean that Petraeus has seen the polls, know who’s going to win, and is trying to position himself in a way to retain his position and influence into the next administration.
We already know that Petraeus got his job by agreeing with Bush’s favored policies. Perhaps the truth is the guy is just an ambitious sort who is willing to be a yes-man on strategy and tactics to whoever is in the oval office.
Spencer, this is as off-topic as you can possibly get, but I wanted to say thanks for recommending the Kills album way back in the spring. Best thing I’ve heard all year; I’ve been listening to it more or less nonstop ever since.
McCain really, really doesn’t understand anything about modern asymetrical warfare. I imagine David Petraeus and David McKiernan know this. These generals may also know how to read a public opinion poll.
Pretty much the whole planet including the animals are backing Barack Obama on everything he says. Only the neck drooling knuckle draggers who support George Bush till the death are agreeing with John McCain on anything.
I think we need to get the hell out of there as much as we need to get out of Iraq. Maybe that’s why the question comes to my mind.. Is Obama agreeing with Petraeus for the same reason some here suggest Petraeus is agreeing with Obama?
It’s very possible Petraeus wants out of Iraq as much as our soldiers do.
Way off topic, but I saw this yesterday and it was so gratifying to see that I just had to share:
Scientists question terrorist-hunting techniques
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Two methods the federal government wants to use to find terrorists — “data mining” and “behavior detection” — are dubious scientifically and have “enormous potential” for infringing on law-abiding Americans’ privacy, a consortium of scientists said.
Go read the article. I promise you’ll appreciate it.
Turns out that science and reality have a demonstrable liberal bias.
I agree ,I think he’s had his fill of war and just wants to get the hell out!!
My hope is that Obama will become a lot less hawkish after the election. I just want a smart policy, is that too much to ask? Christopher Hitchens was saying the other day that we should be buying all the opium that the Afghanis are producing for meds (instead of destroying it). I don’t know all the pros and cons, but can we just be smart for a change? That’s my hope for the US, a smart president, not all this cheerleading b.s.
Thanks to DWBartoo Digg is open pups! So let get behind the Lake and Spencer and Digg this post!
The US could make a huge dent in the heroin trade by buying and destroying opium at its source. And could do so at far less money than we are spending on our current war on drugs!!
Hey that sounds Like the Economic “Science of Milton Friedman” Totally useless and based on pure horse shit!
It’s creepy the way McCain and Lieberman constantly praise this guy, why?
http://www.motherjones.com/was…..ident.html
The Kills? On a post about involving the “McCain Doctrine?”
That’s about as on topic as it gets.
How bout hearin some Kills ,gotta link??
Most of the “success” in Iraq came from the alliance with the Sunni sheiks and the truce with Sadr. The “population-centric counterinsurgency” was not particularly successful seeing as there are millions of internally displaced and exiled Iraqis. The truth is Petraeus had a failed counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq but he got lucky.
As for Afghanistan, as in so much else, it rather depends upon what our goals are. It also rather depends on what the goals of the various stripes of Taliban are.
The whole idea that the best way to find a needle in the haystack was to add more hay was always, let us say, dubious.
Um, speaking of “friends,” here’s Digby today:
Let’s see–
Tinfoil hat– check
Marbles– wait, where did I put them? Did I lose them again? Oh well…
Let’s avoid the
blackestdarkestmost disturbing thoughts here, and go for the mildly disturbing ones–What if the McCain camp is fanning these flames so as to stop Obama from what he does so well: draw large crowds, and excite the voters with personal appearances. At some point, does Obama need to keep himself off the streets, and let Joe Biden and the TeeVee do the talking for him? It was already worrisome enough before this flame-fanning stuff started. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t consider anything beyond the reach of Karl Rove.
Remember Addington’s line– something about how they’re going to keep pushing the envelop until a larger force stops them? I hope Samson is not his role model.
Bob in HI
Catching Bin Ladin wont put an end to the Taliban, someone else will take his place.
Is it even possible to win in Afganistan this is more about ideology.
Bullets and bombs don’t change peoples ideologies,just strengthen their resolve!
Taliban is an idelogical/political movement of the Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan that was funded and armed by US and Saudi money and mentored by the Pakistan’s ISI from among the Afghan Pashtun refugees in Pakistan when the Mujahideen was battling the USSR. Their primary focus is to see off occupiers and invaders from their lands. Bin Laden is an Arab. The Taliban, Mullah Omar anyway, seems to have decoupled from Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Various reliable sources report that EU NATO members, the UK and France in particular, are very active in facilitating dialogue between Karzai in Afghanistan and the Taliban through the Saudis to open up an exit strategy from Afghanistan because nobody but McCain and Palin believe that you can ever win this or any other war if you take on the Pashtuns. The Brits do not want to be in Afghanistan beyond 2010 and work is already underway to devise a face saving exit plan. Democracy, particularly US Presidential style, does not feature in this equation since the Brits think that is an unworkable option for Afghanistan.
Oddly, I don’t see this as a traditional Left v. Right split. It’s not even the Sane Left & Center against the Far Far Far Right of George W. Bush. It’s more like the Sane v. Insane.
Duh!
Of course, there is one downside — putting so many middle-men and dealers out of work. Yep. The added cost to unemployment benefits and other social services would skyrocket by .0001% and we can’t afford that just now. Heh.
Bush, and now Obama, has said we won’t let anyone stand between us and Al Qaeda. Our fight was never with the Taliban or Saddam Hussein or Musharraf in Pakistan. So, if we can convince the Taliban to walk away from AQ, then that makes it easier on them and easier for us to achieve our goal & leave. There would be a lot less blood and expense all around. If we, and perhaps some other friends from around the world, could grease the skids by offering to buy their annual poppy crop…
BS. You know damn well you’ve never bothered reading anything on that subject so you’ve made a deliberate decision to pretend to inform someone else with your uninformed guess.
It’s 2008, we’re passed the point of polite disagreement about issues you should have informed yourself about almost a decade ago. Just STFU about crap you know nothing about until you educate yourself.
I’ve never read a book on American history. Did you know that George Washington’s redcoats regularly used Cuban mercenaries in his invasion of California ?
I’d be very careful with a general that political and that ambitious. I’d neutralize him quickly, promote him to the back lines or something.
Aside frosm the fact that your tone leaves something to be desired, are you saying the US did not support the Taliban as opponents to the USSR when the USSR invaded Afghanistan? If so, I believe it is you who are wrong.
I don’t know if this counts but “The Places In Between” a book by a Scot whose name I don’t rememmber describes his walk across Afghanistan in 2002. He went from town to town depending on the Muslim tradition of hospitality to travelers. He spoke fluent Farsi. Afghanistan hasn’t been conquered for long in a thousand years. He doesn’t think we will succeed where all others have failed.
What kind of tone do you think is appropriate for not one, but two people who, with unlimited and free access to news coverage for the best part of a decade, claimed that Barack Obama was responsible for the deaths of around a million Iraqis in the war he started as President ?
Pay attention…
1. The Soviets invade Afghanistan in 1978.
2. US fights a proxy war in Afg against the Soviets by sponsoring the Muj resistance fighters. They were joined in this sponsorship by Saudi Arabia among many other nations. In order to avoid WW3 with the Soviets, they channel arms and funding via the Pak ISI to the Muj. The US does not train anyone. They don’t assist the Taliban, they don’t assist Osama.
3. Last Soviet troops withdrawn in 1989. US sponsorship is withdrawn too.
4. Following Soviet withdrawal the country descends into protracted civil war. Pak ISI supports one Pastun faction, which will be closer to Pak if they take the country.
5. In response to the civil war, another fundamentalist Pashtun faction is formed called the Taliban in 1994, largely made up of Afghans exiled in Pak and students of fundamentalist madrassas in Pakistan.
6. The Taliban slowly takes over parts of the country and until they gain significant power, they are assisted by nobody. Once they start to look like a more likely victor than the Pak ISI’s favourite faction, the ISI then switches support to them.
7. The Taliban took over enough major cities to be considered the government of Afghanistan, while still fighting for control of the North.
8. 9/11 happens.
9. The US knock them out of power utilising their opponents in the North.
It’s nice to see that someone in the military has some common sense.