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		<title>By: BaxterJ</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/10/08/petraeusheartsobama/comment-page-1/#comment-2661</link>
		<dc:creator>BaxterJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s nice to see that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.entertonement.com/collections/4633/David-Petraeus-Agrees-With-Obama&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;someone in the military has some common sense&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s nice to see that <a href="http://www.entertonement.com/collections/4633/David-Petraeus-Agrees-With-Obama" rel="nofollow">someone in the military has some common sense</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/10/08/petraeusheartsobama/comment-page-1/#comment-2653</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Aside frosm the fact that your tone leaves something to be desired&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What kind of tone do you think is appropriate for not one, but two people who, with unlimited and free access to news coverage for the best part of a decade, claimed that Barack Obama was responsible for the deaths of around a million Iraqis in the war he started as President ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;are you saying the US did not support the Taliban as opponents to the USSR when the USSR invaded Afghanistan? If so, I believe it is you who are wrong.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pay attention…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. The Soviets invade Afghanistan in &lt;strong&gt;1978&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
2. US fights a proxy war in Afg against the Soviets by sponsoring the Muj resistance fighters. They were joined in this sponsorship by Saudi Arabia among many other nations. In order to avoid WW3 with the Soviets, they channel arms and funding via the Pak ISI to the Muj. The US does not train anyone. They don’t assist the Taliban, they don’t assist Osama.&lt;br /&gt;
3. Last Soviet troops withdrawn in &lt;strong&gt;1989&lt;/strong&gt;. US sponsorship is withdrawn too.&lt;br /&gt;
4. Following Soviet withdrawal the country descends into protracted civil war. Pak ISI supports one Pastun faction, which will be closer to Pak if they take the country.&lt;br /&gt;
5. In response to the civil war, another fundamentalist Pashtun faction is formed called the Taliban in &lt;strong&gt;1994&lt;/strong&gt;, largely made up of Afghans exiled in Pak and students of fundamentalist madrassas in Pakistan.&lt;br /&gt;
6. The Taliban slowly takes over parts of the country and until they gain significant power, they are assisted by nobody. Once they start to look like a more likely victor than the Pak ISI’s favourite faction, the ISI then switches support to them.&lt;br /&gt;
7. The Taliban took over enough major cities to be considered the government of Afghanistan, while still fighting for control of the North.&lt;br /&gt;
8. 9/11 happens.&lt;br /&gt;
9. The US knock them out of power utilising their opponents in the North.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Aside frosm the fact that your tone leaves something to be desired</p>
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<p>What kind of tone do you think is appropriate for not one, but two people who, with unlimited and free access to news coverage for the best part of a decade, claimed that Barack Obama was responsible for the deaths of around a million Iraqis in the war he started as President ?</p>
<blockquote><p>are you saying the US did not support the Taliban as opponents to the USSR when the USSR invaded Afghanistan? If so, I believe it is you who are wrong.</p>
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<p>Pay attention…</p>
<p>1. The Soviets invade Afghanistan in <strong>1978</strong>.<br />
2. US fights a proxy war in Afg against the Soviets by sponsoring the Muj resistance fighters. They were joined in this sponsorship by Saudi Arabia among many other nations. In order to avoid WW3 with the Soviets, they channel arms and funding via the Pak ISI to the Muj. The US does not train anyone. They don’t assist the Taliban, they don’t assist Osama.<br />
3. Last Soviet troops withdrawn in <strong>1989</strong>. US sponsorship is withdrawn too.<br />
4. Following Soviet withdrawal the country descends into protracted civil war. Pak ISI supports one Pastun faction, which will be closer to Pak if they take the country.<br />
5. In response to the civil war, another fundamentalist Pashtun faction is formed called the Taliban in <strong>1994</strong>, largely made up of Afghans exiled in Pak and students of fundamentalist madrassas in Pakistan.<br />
6. The Taliban slowly takes over parts of the country and until they gain significant power, they are assisted by nobody. Once they start to look like a more likely victor than the Pak ISI’s favourite faction, the ISI then switches support to them.<br />
7. The Taliban took over enough major cities to be considered the government of Afghanistan, while still fighting for control of the North.<br />
8. 9/11 happens.<br />
9. The US knock them out of power utilising their opponents in the North.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/10/08/petraeusheartsobama/comment-page-1/#comment-2652</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aside frosm the fact that your tone leaves something to be desired, are you saying the US did not support the Taliban as opponents to the USSR when the USSR invaded Afghanistan? If so, I believe it is you who are wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know if this counts but “The Places In Between” a book by a Scot whose name I don’t rememmber describes his walk across Afghanistan in 2002. He went from town to town depending on the Muslim tradition of hospitality to travelers. He spoke fluent Farsi. Afghanistan hasn’t been conquered for long in a thousand years. He doesn’t think we will succeed where all others have failed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside frosm the fact that your tone leaves something to be desired, are you saying the US did not support the Taliban as opponents to the USSR when the USSR invaded Afghanistan? If so, I believe it is you who are wrong.</p>
<p>I don’t know if this counts but “The Places In Between” a book by a Scot whose name I don’t rememmber describes his walk across Afghanistan in 2002. He went from town to town depending on the Muslim tradition of hospitality to travelers. He spoke fluent Farsi. Afghanistan hasn’t been conquered for long in a thousand years. He doesn’t think we will succeed where all others have failed.</p>
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		<title>By: moondancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>moondancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d be very careful with a general that political and that ambitious.  I’d neutralize him quickly, promote him to the back lines or something.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d be very careful with a general that political and that ambitious.  I’d neutralize him quickly, promote him to the back lines or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Taliban is an idelogical/political movement of the Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan that was funded and armed by US and Saudi money &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BS. You know damn well you’ve never bothered reading anything on that subject so you’ve made a deliberate decision to pretend to inform someone else with your uninformed guess.&lt;br /&gt;
It’s 2008, we’re passed the point of polite disagreement about issues you should have informed yourself about almost a decade ago. Just STFU about crap you know nothing about until you educate yourself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve never read a book on American history. Did you know that George Washington’s redcoats regularly used Cuban mercenaries in his invasion of California ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Taliban is an idelogical/political movement of the Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan that was funded and armed by US and Saudi money </p>
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<p>BS. You know damn well you’ve never bothered reading anything on that subject so you’ve made a deliberate decision to pretend to inform someone else with your uninformed guess.<br />
It’s 2008, we’re passed the point of polite disagreement about issues you should have informed yourself about almost a decade ago. Just STFU about crap you know nothing about until you educate yourself.</p>
<p>I’ve never read a book on American history. Did you know that George Washington’s redcoats regularly used Cuban mercenaries in his invasion of California ?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush, and now Obama, has said we won’t let anyone stand between us and Al Qaeda. Our fight was never with the Taliban or Saddam Hussein or Musharraf in Pakistan. So, if we can convince the Taliban to walk away from AQ, then that makes it easier on them and easier for us to achieve our goal &amp; leave. There would be a lot less blood and expense all around. If we, and perhaps some other friends from around the world, could grease the skids by offering to buy their annual poppy crop…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush, and now Obama, has said we won’t let anyone stand between us and Al Qaeda. Our fight was never with the Taliban or Saddam Hussein or Musharraf in Pakistan. So, if we can convince the Taliban to walk away from AQ, then that makes it easier on them and easier for us to achieve our goal &amp; leave. There would be a lot less blood and expense all around. If we, and perhaps some other friends from around the world, could grease the skids by offering to buy their annual poppy crop…</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The US could make a huge dent in the heroin trade by buying and destroying opium at its source. And could do so at far less money than we are spending on our current war on drugs!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Duh!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, there is one downside — putting so many middle-men and dealers out of work. Yep. The added cost to unemployment benefits and other social services would skyrocket by .0001% and we can’t afford that just now. Heh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The US could make a huge dent in the heroin trade by buying and destroying opium at its source. And could do so at far less money than we are spending on our current war on drugs!!</p>
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<p>Duh!</p>
<p>Of course, there is one downside — putting so many middle-men and dealers out of work. Yep. The added cost to unemployment benefits and other social services would skyrocket by .0001% and we can’t afford that just now. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pretty much the whole planet including the animals are backing Barack Obama on everything he says. Only the neck drooling knuckle draggers who support George Bush till the death are agreeing with John McCain on anything.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oddly, I don’t see this as a traditional Left v. Right split. It’s not even the Sane Left &amp; Center against the Far Far Far Right of George W. Bush. It’s more like the Sane v. Insane.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pretty much the whole planet including the animals are backing Barack Obama on everything he says. Only the neck drooling knuckle draggers who support George Bush till the death are agreeing with John McCain on anything.</p>
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<p>Oddly, I don’t see this as a traditional Left v. Right split. It’s not even the Sane Left &amp; Center against the Far Far Far Right of George W. Bush. It’s more like the Sane v. Insane.</p>
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		<title>By: sona</title>
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		<dc:creator>sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Taliban is an idelogical/political movement of the Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan that was funded and armed by US and Saudi money and mentored by the Pakistan’s ISI from among the Afghan Pashtun refugees in Pakistan when the Mujahideen was battling the USSR.  Their primary focus is to see off occupiers and invaders from their lands.  Bin Laden is an Arab.  The Taliban, Mullah Omar anyway, seems to have decoupled from Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.  Various reliable sources report that EU NATO members, the UK and France in particular, are very active in facilitating dialogue between Karzai in Afghanistan and the Taliban through the Saudis to open up an exit strategy from Afghanistan because nobody but McCain and Palin believe that you can ever win this or any other war if you take on the Pashtuns.  The Brits do not want to be in Afghanistan beyond 2010 and work is already underway to devise a face saving exit plan.  Democracy, particularly US Presidential style, does not feature in this equation since the Brits think that is an unworkable option for Afghanistan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taliban is an idelogical/political movement of the Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan that was funded and armed by US and Saudi money and mentored by the Pakistan’s ISI from among the Afghan Pashtun refugees in Pakistan when the Mujahideen was battling the USSR.  Their primary focus is to see off occupiers and invaders from their lands.  Bin Laden is an Arab.  The Taliban, Mullah Omar anyway, seems to have decoupled from Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.  Various reliable sources report that EU NATO members, the UK and France in particular, are very active in facilitating dialogue between Karzai in Afghanistan and the Taliban through the Saudis to open up an exit strategy from Afghanistan because nobody but McCain and Palin believe that you can ever win this or any other war if you take on the Pashtuns.  The Brits do not want to be in Afghanistan beyond 2010 and work is already underway to devise a face saving exit plan.  Democracy, particularly US Presidential style, does not feature in this equation since the Brits think that is an unworkable option for Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: billybugs</title>
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		<dc:creator>billybugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Catching Bin Ladin wont put an end to the Taliban, someone else will take his place.&lt;br /&gt;
Is it even possible to win in Afganistan this is more about ideology.&lt;br /&gt;
Bullets and bombs don’t change peoples ideologies,just strengthen their resolve!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catching Bin Ladin wont put an end to the Taliban, someone else will take his place.<br />
Is it even possible to win in Afganistan this is more about ideology.<br />
Bullets and bombs don’t change peoples ideologies,just strengthen their resolve!</p>
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