NEW ORLEANS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT — Not withstanding the wisdom of refraining from commentary on complex issues while on four hours’ sleep in an airport after a night drinking, among other things, moonshine, check out Dave Kilcullen’s interview on Afghanipakistan with George Packer.
Kilcullen characteristically makes a number of incisive observations — his assessment of population density in the Afghan southeast informs the basis for a population-protection strategy and wow I really hope I don’t puke on this plane — but I want to focus what he says about the prospects of negotiations with the Taliban. Not keen, in short:
Rather than talking about negotiations (which implies offering an undefeated Taliban a seat at the table, and is totally not in the cards) I would prefer the term “community engagement.” The local communities (tribes, districts, villages) in some parts of Afghanistan have been alienated by poor governance and feel disenfranchised through the lack of district elections. This creates a vacuum, especially in terms of rule of law, dispute resolution, and mediation at the village level, that the Taliban have filled. Rather than negotiate directly with the Taliban, a program to reconcile with local communities who are tacitly supporting the Taliban by default (because of lack of an alternative) would bear more fruit. The Taliban movement itself is disunited and fissured with mutual suspicion—local tribal leaders have told me that ninety per cent of the people we call Taliban could be reconcilable under some circumstances, but that many are terrified of what the Quetta shura and other extremists associated with the old Taliban regime might do to them if they tried to reconcile. So, while an awakening may not happen, the basic principles we applied in Iraq—co-opt the reconcilables, make peace with anyone willing to give up the armed struggle, but simultaneously kill or capture all those who prove themselves to be irreconcilable—are probably very applicable.
Maybe sleep and sobriety will change my perspective on this, but it doesn’t seem like Kilcullen opposes what those of us who want to negotiate with the Taliban actually mean. We have a lexicographical problem: "The Taliban" is an umbrella term for, as Kilcullen notes, a variety of groups. Advocates of negotiation want to test the tensile strength of "The Taliban’s" internal cohesiveness. (Or, more accurately, they want to disrupt that cohesiveness.) There’s not so much an expectation that the Quetta Shura — and here Kilcullen means Taliban Central, run by Mullah Omar — will be up for a parley, so much as that the prospect of Afghan government-sponsored negotiations will peel off the reconcilable elements and leave Taliban Central with a hard core that’s cut off from a population who now see the government as being more reasonable/competent than Taliban Central. That will make them easier to either kill or pressure into capitulation. Negotiations with the leadership of Taliban-supporting tribes is a creative means to what seems to me like a mutual end.
Now, it’s entirely possible that all this will fail. Joe Collins made the good point that "The Taliban" have been, basically, winning for about 18 months. Why negotiate now? At last week’s COIN Leaders Conference, Lt. Col. Mark Ulrich insightfully observed that ascendent insurgent groups that seek negotiations are most often pursuing a strategy of subverting a government from within. Despite the fact that the Afghan government and not the Taliban are pressing for negotiations, it’s still a good point.
Still, I don’t see the downside to pursuing negotiations. The worst that can happen is the Afghan government can be embarrassingly turned down. (And the question of "Taliban" sincerity is one that can only be answered by a negotiations process.) For the first time, the Afghan government can plausibly say that it tried everything reasonable to deal with the "Taliban," giving them a plausible answer to "Taliban" propaganda about the perfidious aggression of the American stooge Hamid Karzai, etc. None of this is a guarantee of success. But it has a greater chance of success than the present course of limited-resource-counterinsurgency-minus-a-political-strategy.



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I prefer “Pakghanistan,” but again, that’s just lexicography.
Really ? As I’ve mentioned before, they can also take their half of the bargain, give up nothing and continue the insurgency. As they’ve already done in this post-2001 insurgency and as they did repeatedly during the 1990s civil war.
They’re literally the one group of pricks you can absolutely bank on not upholding any negotiations, not compromising, not power-sharing, nothing. That shit is gold-plated. Shit, North Korea has a better history on upholding negotiated terms given that they’ve not reinvaded Sth Korea. They’ve got 1 under their belt.
In the case mentioned above, that reneging of terms would involve pretending to be interested in participating in regional governance in exchange for ceasing attacks, getting that regional hold then continuing the insurgency. This situation would tactically be little different than surrender on the part of the Afg allies.
Now is that worse or better for the Afg govt than getting turned down ?
2006 testimony for house and senate committees on foreign relations:
No, like I said, the question of “Taliban” sincerity is something you judge in negotiations. You’re raising an objection to giving them stuff because they’ll renege on their end of the bargain. And maybe that’s true. But I’m making a point about entering into negotiations — if they break down, they break down. But you’re no worse off then before if they do, and you probably gain at least some appreciable measure of popular support from the populace by entering into them. It’s anecdotal, but when I was in Afghanistan, Afghans pretty frequently told me that the Karzai government has to talk with the Taliban to bring them into the government. If Karzai reaches out and they refuse in some point during the process, then they’re the assholes, not him.
well spence .. the only problem i see with your scenario is the question of who will know what.. in terms of “gaining some appreciable level of popular support from the populace” .. from what i’ve read .. seen .. heard .. “news” doesn’t travel well or fast in pak-ganistan .. what information “gets out” isn’t necessarily accurate .. but depends on who is tellin’ the tale ..
Oh, I see WAY more problems with my scenario than that. As I say, it’s no guarantee. But is it worse than the alternatives?
it’s hard to call imo .. i’ve read far too much kipling to ever be optimistic about anyones chances of taming afghanistan ..
As mentioned elsewhere of Afg blogs, negotiations have been ongoing for years. So what hasn’t been entered into yet, apart from offering them the outcomes I referred to ?
Cordell Hull
damn lord curzon anyway ..
Reading Kilcullen’s comments, I’m struck by one thing; it’s all so very, very John Vann in 1970. (Does he has three Afghan mistresses tucked away somewhere as well?) The Abu Muq commentosphere is complaining that Kilcullen is advocating something similar to the Russian position (concentrate on population security and holding the cities), but then I think the post-withdrawal Soviet solution is the best we can achieve – i.e. a fairly reasonable government with control of the bulk of the population, using few if any foreign manoeuvre units but plenty of aid and advisors.
AM commenters seemed to be more preoccupied with pidgeonholing what policy wonk he was channelling without any reference to what he was saying and it’s applicability on the ground.
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