That’s basically what Hamid Karzai just told the U.S., for real. To call this unexpected is really quite an understatement. From the Associated Press:
President Hamid Karzai told a visiting U.N. Security Council delegation Tuesday that the international community should set a timeline to end the war in Afghanistan.
It’s hard to know what’s totally at work here. My first instinct is that this is a measure to shore up Karzai’s waning support among war-weary Pashtuns. But could he really mean there ought to be a set date on ending the Afghanistan war? One thing that’s been entirely missing from the policy debate on Afghanistan — in the U.S., in NATO, in Afghanistan — is that no one even pretends to think about how the war is supposed to end. No one knows the endgame, and no one even proposes endgames. Obama wants to catch and kill bin Laden. Cool. Does that mean the U.S. goes home afterward? This is a lacunae that’s difficult to explain — except when considering if we’ve gotten too used to the idea that the war on terrorism will be a "generational" war. How will Obama react to Karzai’s statement?
Another thing to consider. Karzai gave this intriguing quote:
"If there is no deadline, we have the right to find another solution for peace and security, which is negotiations," Karzai was quoted as saying in a statement from his office.
Is it too much of a stretch to wonder if Karzai is floating the timetable idea as a bankshot way of promoting his negotiations with the Taliban? In other words, is he trying to box people — namely, Americans — in to thinking that the only thing less desirable than negotiating with the insurgency is to set a date for leaving Afghanistan, so they better support the first option?
And another thing, in the context of those negotiations: If it’s true that the Taliban feels stronger than the government right now, would it feel such an incentive to negotiate if it believed Karzai was going to kick the U.S. out no matter what?
Update: Marcy points out that Karzai and Obama spoke on Saturday, in what was billed a call by Obama to thank the Afghan president for his post-election well-wishes. Did Karzai give Obama any heads up about this? Hmmm.
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Right now, Karzai’s the mayor of Kabul. He must know that unless he has big guns backing him up, he’s toast.
Is he hoping that a brief beef-up of forces, done right (i.e., no more nuked wedding parties, please) will squish the Taliban and allow him to strengthen his hold on the rest of the country?
Hey! Ya think maybe Karzai saw what happened in Iraq when the GZG pushed for a timeline?
Maybe Karzai and folks will help to save the US from itself.
Is this guy wanting to make sure that we stick around AT LEAST until some date certain or that we get out by some date certain? What date?
It’d be nice to have something better than an “inchoate plan!”
(*whispering* btw, it’s one lacuna, two lacunae….)
It reads to me like he wants our a**es out of there by a date TBD but fairly soon.
i’ll see your lacunae.. and raise ya an inchoate plan .. maybe two ..
call ??
FTW!
OT – From the AP via Atrios:
It seems to me that Karzai realizes that he will never have any legitimate political power within Afghanistan as long as he’s seen as a puppet of the U.S.
If he ever wants to expand his base of power beyond the city limits of Kabul, he’ll have to convince the Afghan people that he’s strong and independent.
I suspect that’s what this is all about.
One thing to take into consideration regarding Afghanistan is that, up until the Unocal pipeline became contentious, the “Taliban” were visiting with Bushco in Houston and elsewhere with redcarpet treatment…in fact, post 9/11..the “spokesman” for the Taliban was able to attend Yale in a fairly well-publicized controversy…
The Taliban was only an “enemy” after “Bushco” blamed them for protecting and enabling OBL’s attack on 9/11.
This has all been about OIL and then morphed into revenge on both sides.
Karzai is trying to stay alive…his country has been in a state of military occupation for seven years with no end in sight.
The US trots out these ridiculous tapes whenever convenient with threats from AQ…they even say they know who produced the tapes (with questionable likenesses to the supposed culprits)..the other day some guy named the company…yeah right..but, of course, they can never catch anybody, because they need a boogie man…They can put a shuttle into space and hook up with the space station, etc…but they don’t know where the tapes are filmed…cough, cough…
The world is sick of war.
Go for some serious diplomacy.
Yes we should go home if we catch Ossama what better time to declare victory and go home.
Is Karzai Bush’s hand picked leader making deals with Ossama in order to stay in power? Karsai knows that we are leaving we might get Ossama before that we might not but Karsai wants the credit.
Orders are orders is not an excuse implementing an order thats a crime makes you a war criminal. Comparing Nazi and Bush administration excuses for similarities could be interesting.
I bet Karzai will leave and move to America soon. Bush will of course blame Obama I don’t think this gambit will work.
If Karzai asks us to leave, it will be the greatest gift the Obama can expect to receive from a foreign leader. We are wasting our treasure and lives in that god-forsaken place, and it’s not doing us or anybody else any good to stay there. Time to cut our losses. Karzai gives us an honorable exit, unlike in Iraq, where our defeat is there for all to see and savour.
The US will not leave Afghanistan until they definitively determine the fate of OBL. They will remain in some capacity probably forever…same for Iraq. JMHO
Is this the “crisis” that Biden predicted? More crises like this one!
Just out of curiosity, does Karzai have his own security team or is he still relying on the U.S. for his personal protection? Nothing says puppet government like not being able to find any of your own countrymen that you trust to serve as bodyguards.
Blue Texan up at the Mothership
if they’d read their “kipling” properly .. they’d put afghanistan in the rear view mirror …
Sounds like a perfectly reasnable bargaining ploy by Karzai to justify negotiations with the Taliban.
BTW is that a prospective picture of Karzai fleeing the country on the last plane out?
Karzi’s correct. He means, “Leave us alone to rule our own country, and we also don’t need any help to figure out how to rule our own country. You foreigners (and the Afghanis’ must have some nasty word that describes foreigners), go away and leave us alone and stop killing our people.”
Lord Roberts stated this would be good policy in the 1880s. Plus ca change.
What make the non-Afghanis in this thread, and those not in Afghanistan, believe they know better than the Afghanis how to rule their own country?
Umm…self-determination perhaps?
That’s a plane from the Queen’s (Queen of England’s) flight. Notice the crown above the EiiR by the door?
Am I wrong to assume that a timeline would be a necessary part of negotiations? Our aim in that country can’t be the same as in Iraq- methinks setting up a unified state there is above our pay grade.
It seems that approaching the tribal leaders is our best option there, and perhaps said leaders collectively feel that a timeline is in everyone’s best interest. Karzai’s comments appear to be a clever way of establishing the first phase in the inevitable negotiations.
Karzai must realize that Obama will end the war in Iraq sooner than later, then all american eyes will be focused on Afghanistan as the “problem” and start looking for an end to it. I think Karzai may be laying the groundwork and floating ideas to end US involvement on his terms, and what is in the best interest of his country, rather than ours. He must be thinking over his options for the best possibility of keeping himself in power as well. He is playing the “angry occupied country” right now like Iraq to get what they want out of us.
from “the young british soldier..” r. kipling
A week ago when you were pointing to the significance of promoting negotiations with the Taliban, some Afghan blogs were pointing out he has done the same thing in the leadup to each election.
Either that election has gotten a week further away in the meantime, in which case the explanation for this statement may be less obvious, or the opposite has occurred.