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		<title>By: Jkat</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/04/lets-get-one-thing-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-4272</link>
		<dc:creator>Jkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;they’ve got the wrong priorities .. imo .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they’re sworn to “protect the constitution against all enemies domestic or foreign” .. you can’t do that by violating it’s principles for some illusory concept of “personal safety” .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;being a “free people” entails a security risk .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;our uniformed men and women in iraq certainly aren’t living a protected existence .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you pays yer money and takes yer chances .. no guarantees .. no refunds .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s a reality very few in the nation want to acknowledge .. no gub’mint or any other institution can protect everyone from every possibility .. but that somehow slips by under the radar … &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;tyrants thrive in the shadows of fear …&lt;br /&gt;
t&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they’ve got the wrong priorities .. imo .. </p>
<p>they’re sworn to “protect the constitution against all enemies domestic or foreign” .. you can’t do that by violating it’s principles for some illusory concept of “personal safety” .. </p>
<p>being a “free people” entails a security risk .. </p>
<p>our uniformed men and women in iraq certainly aren’t living a protected existence .. </p>
<p>you pays yer money and takes yer chances .. no guarantees .. no refunds .. </p>
<p>that’s a reality very few in the nation want to acknowledge .. no gub’mint or any other institution can protect everyone from every possibility .. but that somehow slips by under the radar … </p>
<p>tyrants thrive in the shadows of fear …<br />
t</p>
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		<title>By: DBfromPNW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBfromPNW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is it just me and my friends or is something so out of whack that it stinks?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every bubble that has attracted moths to the shining light that glows brightly with the promise of money and power is now broken.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shouldn’t we be worried about the “one true” representative of ‘Democracy’ descending into chaos because our political leaders seem to have no firm principles?  The collapse of the mortgage bubble and the tech bubble, before it, and so many others, may be a global realignment that does not favor democracy or ‘free markets’ or anything except appeasing the masses with a short-term easing of their misery or a short-term spike in their comfort index.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of people, maybe billions, will soon be left out in the cold by a system they will call ‘Capitalist’.  Is it possible that many of them will regard ‘Capitalist’ with all the warmth that we decree upon heartless despots?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Add catastrophic climate change to the mix - probably rearing its ugly head when the current solar minimum and pacific decadal oscillations are done.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Feinstein and Wyden may go down in history, if one is recorded for us humans, as people who could not see the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What would be worse is if they were regarded as people who had no vision.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me and my friends or is something so out of whack that it stinks?</p>
<p>Every bubble that has attracted moths to the shining light that glows brightly with the promise of money and power is now broken.  </p>
<p>Shouldn’t we be worried about the “one true” representative of ‘Democracy’ descending into chaos because our political leaders seem to have no firm principles?  The collapse of the mortgage bubble and the tech bubble, before it, and so many others, may be a global realignment that does not favor democracy or ‘free markets’ or anything except appeasing the masses with a short-term easing of their misery or a short-term spike in their comfort index.</p>
<p>Millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of people, maybe billions, will soon be left out in the cold by a system they will call ‘Capitalist’.  Is it possible that many of them will regard ‘Capitalist’ with all the warmth that we decree upon heartless despots?</p>
<p>Add catastrophic climate change to the mix &#8211; probably rearing its ugly head when the current solar minimum and pacific decadal oscillations are done.  </p>
<p>Feinstein and Wyden may go down in history, if one is recorded for us humans, as people who could not see the future.</p>
<p>What would be worse is if they were regarded as people who had no vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reading Greenwald, I’m not even sure why it is necessary to point this out:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;According to Mark Mazzetti and Scott Shane, who wrote the article, Feinstein and Wyden are just two of the “senior Democratic lawmakers” who have “seemed reluctant in recent interviews to commit the new administration to following the Army Field Manual in all cases” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So you’ve got the past Democrats who went along with these “enhancements”, the new bunch, many of whom are specifically leaving the door open for that… and we’re talking about this one woman’s comments when *forced* to clarify her wanting that loophole too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s not hard to read.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Greenwald, I’m not even sure why it is necessary to point this out:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to Mark Mazzetti and Scott Shane, who wrote the article, Feinstein and Wyden are just two of the “senior Democratic lawmakers” who have “seemed reluctant in recent interviews to commit the new administration to following the Army Field Manual in all cases” </p>
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<p>So you’ve got the past Democrats who went along with these “enhancements”, the new bunch, many of whom are specifically leaving the door open for that… and we’re talking about this one woman’s comments when *forced* to clarify her wanting that loophole too.</p>
<p>That’s not hard to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Given that her Democrat predecessor raised no objections to what went on, and now may be pressing the “no torture investigations” case, it may be wise to not afford anyone the benefit of the doubt on this shit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Either she’s said specific techniques will be referred for prosecutions or she hasn’t. She hasn’t. No variation on that front in any of her statements.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, how did you read a 2nd statement with a 2nd loophole and become satisfied with that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think Jane Harmen went into her post approving of torture? No, it just took a little pressure from a Republican administration. A little pressure from a Democrat administration would either have been easier or harder to resist. You know which.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that her Democrat predecessor raised no objections to what went on, and now may be pressing the “no torture investigations” case, it may be wise to not afford anyone the benefit of the doubt on this shit.</p>
<p>Either she’s said specific techniques will be referred for prosecutions or she hasn’t. She hasn’t. No variation on that front in any of her statements.</p>
<p>In fact, how did you read a 2nd statement with a 2nd loophole and become satisfied with that?</p>
<p>Think Jane Harmen went into her post approving of torture? No, it just took a little pressure from a Republican administration. A little pressure from a Democrat administration would either have been easier or harder to resist. You know which.</p>
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		<title>By: Jkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;easy boy .. you recall what happened the last time you got on the wrong side of an argument with glenzilla ..eh ?? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i gotta say glen had a point working off the original script .. and same gooes for the esteemed senator from oregon .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GG might be off a bit in his assumptions concerning the idea they were just play actin’ during the bush years .. knowing they could advocate all they wanted but had no fear of ever having to fight for it .. but he definitely nailed the discrepancy in the lingo as it was uttered .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and DiFi still left some equivocation .. imo .. sayin’ it’s the field manula .. or possibly another unspecified path .. the caveat being whatever it was it needed to be uniform .. depending on the desires of the incoming admin … &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;personally i think they got caught speakin’ with forked-tongues .. or jumbled syntax .. but it was ceetainly a different note on the bugle than the tune they’d been playing .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;loose ships sink lips ..eh ??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>easy boy .. you recall what happened the last time you got on the wrong side of an argument with glenzilla ..eh ?? </p>
<p>i gotta say glen had a point working off the original script .. and same gooes for the esteemed senator from oregon .. </p>
<p>GG might be off a bit in his assumptions concerning the idea they were just play actin’ during the bush years .. knowing they could advocate all they wanted but had no fear of ever having to fight for it .. but he definitely nailed the discrepancy in the lingo as it was uttered .. </p>
<p>and DiFi still left some equivocation .. imo .. sayin’ it’s the field manula .. or possibly another unspecified path .. the caveat being whatever it was it needed to be uniform .. depending on the desires of the incoming admin … </p>
<p>personally i think they got caught speakin’ with forked-tongues .. or jumbled syntax .. but it was ceetainly a different note on the bugle than the tune they’d been playing .. </p>
<p>loose ships sink lips ..eh ??</p>
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