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		<title>By: Dust</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/09/the-internet-is-a-toilet-stall-filled-with-jerks-and-twits/#comment-4499</link>
		<dc:creator>Dust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;my grandfather was “off the boat” and i was told many stories.  i still remember the thrill in the home when kennedy was elected - a catholic!!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not so long ago for my family.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as assimilating blacks and hispanics, well the hispanics have come a long, long, long way and in many ways are fully integrated, but the older generations of them, the NEW immigrants that do not speak english as though raised here or speak with a ghetto accent, well, they get ghetto treatment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for the African-Americans, they, for the most part were not immigrants in the normal sense..  My grandparents worked hard to get my parents and their grandkids out of the ghetto.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want to advance I think this needs to be a family and cultural thing, a community pushing for itself to get out of the ghetto.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Poles went to polish vendors, Italians went to Italian doctors (once available) greeks to greek attorneys (once available)  all raised their kids to get an education and talk right.  Leave the broken english behind.  Most of the early 1900 immigrants did not teach their kids their home language - you in america now - you speaka da english!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately for the African-Americans they tend to not trust their own and not promote their own from within, sad but true.  I have had many conversations with African-Americans professionals about this tendency.  Don’t know the solution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having a black president will help give young blacks hope and a vision, a very good thing.  Hope many will emulate him, of course, i hope they pick better ministers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my grandfather was “off the boat” and i was told many stories.  i still remember the thrill in the home when kennedy was elected &#8211; a catholic!!!!!!</p>
<p>Not so long ago for my family.</p>
<p>As far as assimilating blacks and hispanics, well the hispanics have come a long, long, long way and in many ways are fully integrated, but the older generations of them, the NEW immigrants that do not speak english as though raised here or speak with a ghetto accent, well, they get ghetto treatment.</p>
<p>As for the African-Americans, they, for the most part were not immigrants in the normal sense..  My grandparents worked hard to get my parents and their grandkids out of the ghetto.</p>
<p>If you want to advance I think this needs to be a family and cultural thing, a community pushing for itself to get out of the ghetto.  </p>
<p>Poles went to polish vendors, Italians went to Italian doctors (once available) greeks to greek attorneys (once available)  all raised their kids to get an education and talk right.  Leave the broken english behind.  Most of the early 1900 immigrants did not teach their kids their home language &#8211; you in america now &#8211; you speaka da english!</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the African-Americans they tend to not trust their own and not promote their own from within, sad but true.  I have had many conversations with African-Americans professionals about this tendency.  Don’t know the solution.</p>
<p>Having a black president will help give young blacks hope and a vision, a very good thing.  Hope many will emulate him, of course, i hope they pick better ministers.</p>
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		<title>By: endiem</title>
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		<dc:creator>endiem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;In the U.S. we have a tradition of accepting immigrants&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remind me again how many centuries it took African-Americans to get the vote. Notwithstanding the electoral success of Barack Obama I don’t think anyone can claim that African-Americans have ever “fully become us.” Asian immigrants from countries with well-developed education systems (e.g. India) have integrated rapidly. But hispanic immigrants have integrated poorly. Of course, we have probably forgotten how slow the assimilation process was a century ago for poor, non English-speaking immigrants.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A big problem in the UK is the Little Englander mentality, prevalent in ultra-right tabloids like the Daily Mail, that derides anything alien to some pathetic nativist conception of England - be it the European Union or immigrants. The current bete noir is, of course, the Muslim immigrant. The hostility towards Muslims by right-wing commentators espousing concepts like Eurabia and Londonistan is appalling and deserves to be condemned.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In the U.S. we have a tradition of accepting immigrants</i></p>
<p>Remind me again how many centuries it took African-Americans to get the vote. Notwithstanding the electoral success of Barack Obama I don’t think anyone can claim that African-Americans have ever “fully become us.” Asian immigrants from countries with well-developed education systems (e.g. India) have integrated rapidly. But hispanic immigrants have integrated poorly. Of course, we have probably forgotten how slow the assimilation process was a century ago for poor, non English-speaking immigrants.</p>
<p>A big problem in the UK is the Little Englander mentality, prevalent in ultra-right tabloids like the Daily Mail, that derides anything alien to some pathetic nativist conception of England &#8211; be it the European Union or immigrants. The current bete noir is, of course, the Muslim immigrant. The hostility towards Muslims by right-wing commentators espousing concepts like Eurabia and Londonistan is appalling and deserves to be condemned.</p>
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		<title>By: Dust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I worry greatly for europe “particularly in Europe, which has a complicated relationship with assimilation and frequently treats Muslims as second-class citizens”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the U.S. we have a tradition of accepting immigrants, heck most of us are or our not too distant ancestors were one time immigrants, in europe - NOT SO.  After crapping on the first generation or so of a wave of immigrants, they then fully become us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a buddy in Greece - i was shocked the way he described the actions of a Gypsy to me in an email, very politically incorrect.  Speech we would never use in the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heck - in Calabria, Italy,  the Albanians are still Albanians and they have been there 400 years!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the U.S. we try to deal with the rest of the world like it was the U.S., sadly it is not, overall the U.S. is a kind accepting place, the rest of the world - not so&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worry greatly for europe “particularly in Europe, which has a complicated relationship with assimilation and frequently treats Muslims as second-class citizens”</p>
<p>In the U.S. we have a tradition of accepting immigrants, heck most of us are or our not too distant ancestors were one time immigrants, in europe &#8211; NOT SO.  After crapping on the first generation or so of a wave of immigrants, they then fully become us.</p>
<p>I have a buddy in Greece &#8211; i was shocked the way he described the actions of a Gypsy to me in an email, very politically incorrect.  Speech we would never use in the U.S.</p>
<p>Heck &#8211; in Calabria, Italy,  the Albanians are still Albanians and they have been there 400 years!</p>
<p>In the U.S. we try to deal with the rest of the world like it was the U.S., sadly it is not, overall the U.S. is a kind accepting place, the rest of the world &#8211; not so</p>
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