Comments on: The Hunted Child http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/ Just another Firedoglake weblog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:53:28 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Kilo http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5361 Kilo Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:36:20 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5361 <p>How am I going to do that with the information you’ve provided ?<br /> Either way, did you just seriously compare anything that happened in the last 8 years to the forthright public policy of internment of ALL Japanese nationals and American citizens of primary Japanese descent during WW2 ?<br /> Are you fkn kidding me ?</p> <p>Frequently when there’s a crime involving a black person, black people get picked up based on that alone. This however is not the same as a public declaration that ALL black people need to be put into concentration camps. Is your brain registering this ????</p> How am I going to do that with the information you’ve provided ?
Either way, did you just seriously compare anything that happened in the last 8 years to the forthright public policy of internment of ALL Japanese nationals and American citizens of primary Japanese descent during WW2 ?
Are you fkn kidding me ?

Frequently when there’s a crime involving a black person, black people get picked up based on that alone. This however is not the same as a public declaration that ALL black people need to be put into concentration camps. Is your brain registering this ????

]]> By: drational http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5343 drational Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:59:00 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5343 <p>Spencer:<br /> Can you go back to your timeline on McConnell’s strange testimony about the incident on May 15, 2007 where we supposedly could not surveil in Iraq because of FISA burdens? “troops lives were jeopardized”</p> <p>This was the day Comey testified to SJC about non-legal surveillance, an event Gonzo is still pissed about…..</p> <p>I think the 12 hour delay was because no one at DOJ had the balls to sign off on illegal wiretapping after Comey gave his little surprise, so they had to track down Gonzales in Texas.</p> <p>This “incident” was a big part of why FISA reform passed ultimately giving Gonzales immunity for past illegality.</p> <p>Comey testified at 10am eastern. At 12:53 DOJ had a four hour debate in which administration officials “discussed legal and operational issues” about the surveillance….. Then they went looking for Gonzo in Texas….</p> Spencer:
Can you go back to your timeline on McConnell’s strange testimony about the incident on May 15, 2007 where we supposedly could not surveil in Iraq because of FISA burdens? “troops lives were jeopardized”

This was the day Comey testified to SJC about non-legal surveillance, an event Gonzo is still pissed about…..

I think the 12 hour delay was because no one at DOJ had the balls to sign off on illegal wiretapping after Comey gave his little surprise, so they had to track down Gonzales in Texas.

This “incident” was a big part of why FISA reform passed ultimately giving Gonzales immunity for past illegality.

Comey testified at 10am eastern. At 12:53 DOJ had a four hour debate in which administration officials “discussed legal and operational issues” about the surveillance….. Then they went looking for Gonzo in Texas….

]]> By: Hmmm http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5342 Hmmm Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:33:57 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5342 <blockquote><p> no mass internments of foreign-looking americans.</p></blockquote> <p>Oh yeh. You go tell that one to the brown-looking people rounded up on 9/12/2001 as ‘material witnesses’ on the basis of no evidence whatsoever… other than their national origin, their race, and their religion.</p>

no mass internments of foreign-looking americans.

Oh yeh. You go tell that one to the brown-looking people rounded up on 9/12/2001 as ‘material witnesses’ on the basis of no evidence whatsoever… other than their national origin, their race, and their religion.

]]> By: ThomasTamm http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5340 ThomasTamm Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:09:22 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5340 <p>Spencer:<br /> Another very good post. It is preposterous for Gonzo to claim that he is a casualty of the war of error. Read what he says: “John Yoo had very strong opinions” like that is the determining factor? Holy shit. As Jim Comey said, one of the most important and crucial things a lawyer has to say is “No”. Even against people with strong opinions! Obviously Addington and Yoo just bullied this legal piece of jello. Well, they must be right because they say it so forcefully. I have come to believe that the administration did not so much play the fear card, as much as they were themselves just so afraid. They are a bunch of cowards. Cheney with his 5 deferments and his having better things to do during Vietnam. He is a freaking coward and Gonzo is a tremling bowl of mush.</p> Spencer:
Another very good post. It is preposterous for Gonzo to claim that he is a casualty of the war of error. Read what he says: “John Yoo had very strong opinions” like that is the determining factor? Holy shit. As Jim Comey said, one of the most important and crucial things a lawyer has to say is “No”. Even against people with strong opinions! Obviously Addington and Yoo just bullied this legal piece of jello. Well, they must be right because they say it so forcefully. I have come to believe that the administration did not so much play the fear card, as much as they were themselves just so afraid. They are a bunch of cowards. Cheney with his 5 deferments and his having better things to do during Vietnam. He is a freaking coward and Gonzo is a tremling bowl of mush.

]]> By: Kilo http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5339 Kilo Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:52:32 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5339 <blockquote><p>The decision was appealed to United States Supreme Court. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., himself a student of eugenics, wrote the formal opinion for the Court in the case of Buck v. Bell (1927). His opinion repeated the “facts” in Carrie’s case, concluding that a “deficient” mother, daughter, and granddaughter justified the need for sterilization. The decision includes the now infamous words: It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind…Three generations of imbeciles are enough.</p></blockquote> <p>This legal argument that forced sterilization of social undesirables is desirable, you can compare to the legal argument that the President’s powers are limitless in wartime.</p>

The decision was appealed to United States Supreme Court. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., himself a student of eugenics, wrote the formal opinion for the Court in the case of Buck v. Bell (1927). His opinion repeated the “facts” in Carrie’s case, concluding that a “deficient” mother, daughter, and granddaughter justified the need for sterilization. The decision includes the now infamous words: It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind…Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

This legal argument that forced sterilization of social undesirables is desirable, you can compare to the legal argument that the President’s powers are limitless in wartime.

]]> By: Kilo http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5338 Kilo Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:47:39 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5338 <blockquote><p>the August 1, 2002 OLC Memorandum [on torture…] is perhaps the most clearly erroneous legal opinion I have ever read.</p></blockquote> <p>I find that hard to believe. This whole “writing” fad has been around for a while. </p> <p>For instance, legal opinions from supreme court justices outlining their justifications for such policies as upholding the subjugation of US citizens based on the colour of their skin were committed to paper and are able to be read.<br /> Perhaps this distinctly non-white-sounding guy just isn’t much of a reader.</p> <p>I find it surprising that these judgments of “worst president ever” never seem to be accompanied by a recognition of the presidents and the policies you elevate above him to “not worst”. At some point, someone must have determined that the policies slavery and apartheid were somehow less abhorrent than the collective policies of the Bush administration*. Yet with all the BS waste-of-space blog posts we see on the net, this startling discovery didn’t seem to warrant mentioning. How odd.</p> <p>*You remember the Bush administraion. It was the one where there was no string of assassinations to silence popular policies, no students gunned down on the streets while protesting, no mass internments of foreign-looking americans. That one.</p>

the August 1, 2002 OLC Memorandum [on torture…] is perhaps the most clearly erroneous legal opinion I have ever read.

I find that hard to believe. This whole “writing” fad has been around for a while.

For instance, legal opinions from supreme court justices outlining their justifications for such policies as upholding the subjugation of US citizens based on the colour of their skin were committed to paper and are able to be read.
Perhaps this distinctly non-white-sounding guy just isn’t much of a reader.

I find it surprising that these judgments of “worst president ever” never seem to be accompanied by a recognition of the presidents and the policies you elevate above him to “not worst”. At some point, someone must have determined that the policies slavery and apartheid were somehow less abhorrent than the collective policies of the Bush administration*. Yet with all the BS waste-of-space blog posts we see on the net, this startling discovery didn’t seem to warrant mentioning. How odd.

*You remember the Bush administraion. It was the one where there was no string of assassinations to silence popular policies, no students gunned down on the streets while protesting, no mass internments of foreign-looking americans. That one.

]]> By: maryo2 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5337 maryo2 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:20:02 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5337 <p>Venn Diagram of scandals showing Gonzales right in the middle of everything - a picture says 1000 words:</p> <p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/31/alberto-gonzales-memoir-w_n_154479.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....54479.html</a></p> Venn Diagram of scandals showing Gonzales right in the middle of everything – a picture says 1000 words:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..54479.html

]]> By: jimportlandor http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5336 jimportlandor Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:53:47 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5336 <p>Maybe Pepperdine Univ. Law School could make him co-dean with Ken Starr so we’d know for sure that this is a man who should not ever again be allowed to practice law.</p> Maybe Pepperdine Univ. Law School could make him co-dean with Ken Starr so we’d know for sure that this is a man who should not ever again be allowed to practice law.

]]> By: Mary http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5334 Mary Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:51:57 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5334 <p>Addington is just as much a shill as Gonzales - he’s just been a one person shill (Cheney’s boy) for so long he gives the impression of having had convictions just by virture of having shilled for one source long enough. </p> <p>He’s too bad a lawyer to have been able to formulate ideologically supported convictions.</p> Addington is just as much a shill as Gonzales – he’s just been a one person shill (Cheney’s boy) for so long he gives the impression of having had convictions just by virture of having shilled for one source long enough.

He’s too bad a lawyer to have been able to formulate ideologically supported convictions.

]]> By: Mary http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/comment-page-1/#comment-5333 Mary Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:49:23 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/12/31/the-hunted-child/#comment-5333 <p>WSJ, if they had used a journalist and not a Murdoch asset, would have chewed up the “didn’t formulate policy” crap. In the original dispute over application of the Geneva Conventions, Taft as Gen Counsel at State had given a very good legal analysis (didn’t go far enough IMO, but it was solid and defensible) and Powell pushed it. THe “Decider” for the Decider on that was Gonzales, hence his Jan 2002 memo where he overrides Taft and tells the President that the best way to avoid war crimes prosecution is to pretend like Yoo makes sense.</p> WSJ, if they had used a journalist and not a Murdoch asset, would have chewed up the “didn’t formulate policy” crap. In the original dispute over application of the Geneva Conventions, Taft as Gen Counsel at State had given a very good legal analysis (didn’t go far enough IMO, but it was solid and defensible) and Powell pushed it. THe “Decider” for the Decider on that was Gonzales, hence his Jan 2002 memo where he overrides Taft and tells the President that the best way to avoid war crimes prosecution is to pretend like Yoo makes sense.

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