Thers weighs in on the ethnic-cleansing quasi-debate and makes a good point:
What’s really scary here is that, as he says, Israel’s "mission" is confused on its face, has all sorts of contradictory motivations, and history says that when troops go fight under those conditions, no matter how disciplined they are, atrocities happen. These atrocities, which I devoutly wish I’m wrong and don’t happen, are going to be perceived as part of a program of "ethnic cleansing" by Palestinians and most Muslims. (It already kind of is.)
There’s a bottomless outrage in the Arab world for Israel, particularly when it pummels/encloses/blockades/bombs/invades Palestine, so I’m unsure how different in kind it would really be for a belief to take hold among Muslims and Arabs that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing. What’s more important is that there be no ethnic cleansing, and given Israel’s repeated and demonstrated resistance to such a thing — the right used to want to push the Palestinians in the West Bank to Jordan in a campaign it labeled "transfer," which indeed would have been ethnic cleansing — it’s rather unlikely that there will be.
But the more relevant issue, Thers points out, is atrocity, however you want to definite it. Ten thousand Israeli soldiers are about to be surrounded by a million and a half Palestinians in one of the most population-dense parts of the planet. They’re about to be put there amidst a media blackout. That is an unfair burden and a serious test of discipline.
Also, for a sense of how apprehensive Israelis are about the invasion, don’t miss this Washington Post story.



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spencer – for several years, i have used the term slow motion ethnic cleansing to describe what was happening in the west bank. when there is an organized state policy of forcibly removing palestinians from their homes and their livelihood (farm land), when they are made to live as refugees…. how is the term wrong only because they haven’t been shipped to jordan?
i know this loaded language and appreciate being called on it and argued with if you do think i have it wrong. thanks.
…an organized state policy of forcibly removing palestinians… Because there isn’t. This policy doesn’t exist. What you describe is, in B’Tselem’s view — which I think is credible — a system of abuse in the West Bank that operates more on inertia (the settlement spread, the hiltop youth, the Hebron pogrom, etc) than on active policy. “Slow motion ethnic cleansing” isn’t really a meaningful concept. What ethnic cleansing in history has occurred slowly? And if there’s outmigration from Palestine, I confess to not being familiar with it. Isn’t one of the problems of the Gaza war the fact that people can’t leave?
As I wrote in the earlier post, the human-rights situation in Palestine is bad enough without using what you concede is loaded language. I don’t see how doing so gets us closer to describing the truth of the matter.
thanks spencer – i am trying to used language that most accurately describes the truth as i see it. but i could be seeing it wrongly and/or using the language inaccurately…so i really appreciate your willingness to engage on this.
one example of the kind of policy i’m referring to is the wall (security fence or whatever you think it should be called, lets put that question off for another day). an example of palestinians being removed from their land is the village of jayyous (i’ve commented on this village before).
there’s more going on here than oppression. dispossession doesn’t seem to capture it for me, but i’m open to changing the language i use if could find a better way to express what is happening, or a different way to understand it.
many thanks again.
A few points. First, I’m not sure why a set of actions would have to be “active state policy” to be ethnic cleansing. Clearly non-state actors can engage in ethnic cleansing, although they might have some tacit, unofficial permission from the relevant state to do it.
Second, it seems sort of arbitrary to suggest that ethnic cleansing could be going on in Gaza only if either (or both) Israelis aimed to take all of Gaza or Palestinians were leaving Gaza. In Gaza, Israeli settlers are grabbing land that Palestinians had controlled and then the settlers are preventing Palestinians from living there. Then the settlers have been expanding the geographical footprint of that land, expanding the areas of land where, if Palestinians go there, they get shot at. This certainly looks like the settlers are ethnically cleansing some parts of Gaza. If there’s some official definition of “ethnic cleansing” that means the label would only apply if this process continued to encompass all of Gaza, I’m not sure why that’s a definition anyone should care much about.
Finally, why doesn’t the idea of “slow motion ethnic cleansing” make sense? It seems to make perfect sense to me. One group of people of one ethnicity uses violent coercion (or the threat of it) to displace another group of people of another ethnicity from their land. Maybe that happens over a month. Maybe that happens over a decade. Again, it’s certainly possible to stipulate that “ethnic cleansing” has to happen on the time-scale of weeks or months, and not years. But I’m not sure what difference the time-scale makes.
Let me add that whenever I say “I’m not sure”, that’s not me being a passive-aggressive dickhead. This stuff is an area where I’m really not sure about much.