Waitaminute.

A government admitting to and correcting error?

The hell you say!

Next you’ll be claiming they took an action that actually contributed to the solution rather than exacerbating the problem.

Take a deep breath now…

mikey

No. It was more than that.
One could support the bombing in Gaza, one could try to shrug off the deliberate excess; but this was beyond anything that can be lightly turned away from.

See the repression inherent in the system

Seems to me that recurring “momentary lapses” of reason are indicative of a much more extensive malaise.

Thanks Spencer.

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“error of Judgement” – the under statement of the year. Can’t brag about being a democracy unless you really are one.

Democratic principles reinstated, abyss officially backed-away-from, sanity prevailing.

This with 1300 dead in Gaza. I must have a different definition of democratic principles, abyss, and sanity.

I wonder how many Jewish political parties are allowed to contest elections in the West Bank and Gaza?

BTW did anyone catch this bit of idiocy?

Forcing banks to lend is a bad idea

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/2…../index.htm

Apparently a depression is a much better idea. When I see articles like this from supposed experts who lack even the most elementary grasp of economic principles, my head hurts.

Given that those Israeli settlers elect their own insular government leaders, that are Represented in the Knesset, quite a few, I’d say.

I wonder how many West Bankers and Gazans are allowed to participate in Israeli elections, despite being prevented from having fully sovereign States for over two generations.

Have you ever considered not being a troll?

I’m wondering if Obama’s people have had some chats with key Israelis.

By the way, traditional Conservative. I would assume that you are in favior of the traditional principles this country was founded upon. One of those was that the American colonists were not represented in Parliament while they were under the control of British politicians.

I personally think that any state that annexes another region through occupation should have to allow the residents of that area to vote in the elections of the occupying country and have representatives in it’s legislature. Maybe within a five year time period.

If you don’t allow that you have no real ability to call yourself a “Democracy”…particularly when almost half those under your thumb are denied the right to vote.

How many Jewish parties are allowed to contest elections in Arab countries?

Oh, silly me! All the Jews in the Muslim world were ethnically cleansed, and there are no Arab democracies outside Iraq!

I wonder how many Jews would be allowed to become citizens of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza?

If you’re a traditional conservative then you probably agree that all taxpayers deserve representation, that the government shouldn’t restrict peaceful political activity, and that the darker side of human nature must not be allowed to overwhelm us?
Are you a traditional conservative? Or do you play one on the internet?

If you’re a true “progressive”, shouldn’t you support a western democracy over a barbaric Islamist thugocracy? Shouldn’t you support a place where women have freedom rather than romanticize Hamas, where “women’s rights” end at the whip?

I guess not.

Why aren’t you answering my questions instead of making up nonsense about things I’ve never said?
Do you know how to act like a grownup? If so, please answer rather than rant.

What does that have to do with the way the Israelis have treated the people of Palestine over the last 60 years?
How many US dollars have paid for the weapons that the Israelis used to kill Palestinians and destroy Palestinian lands?
The Israelis have spent the last 3 weeks pounding Gaza City with heavy bombs, WP and other deadly weaponry. There are (were) 1.4 million people in Gaza, a strip of land 24 miles long and 4 miles wide, it is a Killing Field and the Israelis are doing the killing..

If they hadn’t started firing rockets on Israeli towns, there would be no blockade and no military action taking place. Instead the Palestinians elected Hamas and screwed themselves. Blame Hamas and their rockets for what happened. Israel is simply defending itself, meeting deadly force with even deadlier force, which is their right as a nation-state.

Of course you probably think Israel shouldn’t exist, so it will be lost on you.

Yes, and that’s why I supported the removal of the Taliban and Saddam Hussein.

If you support democratic values and the removal of tyrants it must sadden you to see Israel being dragged down to the point where it’s claim to being democratic is jeopardized.

You are either blind to history? not very bright? or deliberately blind?
I think it is deliberate blindness. The question then becomes ‘Why?

If you will excuse my butting in, I hope that you aren’t letting Israel’s killing of Palestinians blind you to fact that the Palestinians have usually managed to act in ways that are beneath contempt.

Germany bans Fascist and Nazi parties, are they not democratic?

Enough. It probably would have better for democracy if your mother had banned your father.

Have you ever looked at the list of violations etc Israel has had brought against it (or vetoed by US) at the UN?

Has anyone heard anything about congress getting ready to pass a bill to replenish Israel’s weapons they used over the past four weeks? It might be the best opportunity in years to raise opposition to such a move.

After the Hezbollah War, the Senate quickly moved to replenish the cluster bombs and so on. The use of white phosphorus in Gaza was a very clear and serious war crime. Is there a way we can force the Senate to a certain level of review on this because of the WP use, when this issue comes up?

The white phosphorous shells that the U.S. dropped on Tokyo didn’t lead to any objections in the Senate.

I think most of the attention is focused on Israel because it holds so much of the power and is consequently responsible for so much of what has happened. If Israel had not settled a half million Israelis on Palestinian lands, if it had tried to develop the Territories rather than carve up the land and monopolize the resources, if it was not the dominant regional military power with 200 nuclear weapons, then it might have more of a case. But it doesn’t. With great power comes great responsibility. And Israel has been ducking responsibility and accountability for decades.

But you are correct. There is much to blame on the Palestinian side, but since the power is so much less. In the calculus of these things, their vitues like their vices count for little.

I think it’s time, and I hope the new administration agrees, that the real powers in the world assume the responsibility for settling this mess. It’s clear that Israel and the Palestinians are clawing at each others’ humanity. They probably can’t settle this by themselves at this point.
It would be nice to see power used in service of the common good.

They didn’t, but that was 64 years ago, and WP use in civilian areas is now clearly a war crime. Are you saying it isn’t, or that the Senate will be once again rubber stamping IDF munitions replenishment?

Forget the troll. He doesn’t add anything to the conversation that anyone with a radio can’t get by listing to Rush. We already know what he is going to say, and as has been pointed out above, it’s all fact-free. Great work if you can get it. He’s on somebody’s payroll, be sure of it.

I’m not saying that using WP is legal or condoning it. I’m hoping that we don’t replenish it.
What I’m suggesting is that human nature hasn’t changed in 64 years, I fear that, with some cosmetic language, the re-stocking will occur.

Obama has no intention of changing the Israel first attitude. Read these sections under Foreign Policy…you’re not going to like what it says.
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Ensure a Strong U.S.-Israel Partnership:

Support Israel’s Right to Self Defense:

Support Foreign Assistance to Israel:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/foreign_policy/

In dealing with politicians and governments, it’s best to base a guess on their objectives by assessing their actions rather than their words.