I think the Obama administration is not likely to cede that authority back to the Congress.
– Dick Cheney, Dec. 15, 2008
What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them.
– Barack Obama, Jan. 20, 2009
I was talking with a reporter friend last night about President Obama’s executive orders on detentions, interrogations and Guantanamo. We were simply amazed by how far Obama went in repudiating the Bush era — the CIA secret prisons: closed; extraordinary rendition: ended; Geneva Common Article 3: the "minimum baseline" for detainee treatment; Guantanamo: to be closed. If you’re Dick Cheney, and you view these orders alongside Obama’s executive order on governmental transparency, right now the country has just lost its mind.
But it needs to be remembered, as Daphne Eviatar suggested yesterday, that the orders aren’t the end of the issue. They put in place a process for repudiating the Bush administration’s apparatus of torture and detention. The journey, in other words, isn’t over. And there are several things to watch for as the process unfolds by which we can judge how thoroughly the new Obama administration legal and policy architecture lives up to the promise of the executive orders. Here are a few, as best as I can determine them.
(Warning: this post is LONG.)
What’s kept classified in the government-wide field manual on interrogation. This was an issue in yesterday’s confirmation hearing with ret. Adm. Dennis Blair, Obama’s nominee to become director of national intelligence. After affirming that he agrees with the executive order’s mandate on harmonizing all interrogations in line with the Geneva Conventions-compliant Army field manual, Blair said he’d support keeping some specifics about the implementation of the Geneva-compliant techniques classified, although he promised that that wouldn’t be a backdoor for the re-introduction of torture techniques. ("Not saying ‘Here’s the document, and then, just kidding, here’s the real stuff.")
But implementation is important stuff. At Emptywheel, bmaz has been sounding the alarm that not everything in the 2006 rewrite of the Army field manual on interrogations is complaint with Geneva — in particular, a ten-page appendix known as Appendix M appears to go beyond the Geneva-based restrictions of the original field manual. This is something to watch for in the review. If the review merely assumes that everything in the field manual is Geneva-compliant, it may end up reaffirming a codification of torture. And beyond that, guidelines for performing, say, the field manual technique of "Pride And Ego Down" (that link goes to a section of the old, pre-2006 rewrite field manual) need to ensure that things don’t get out of hand in the interrogation chamber.
What sort of human-rights promises from governments? Part of the task force’s mandate is to look at rendition. Rendition is the extra-judiciary transfer of a person in custody, different from post-conviction extradition, from one government to another. Under the Clinton and Bush administrations, that became expanded to a process known as extraordinary rendition, whereby transfer of detainees occurs to governments known to use torture. Typically, that process involves getting an assurance that there won’t be any torture, but in practice, it’s a cynical wink-and-nod maneuver to see no evil. The task force is mandated to review:
the practices of transferring individuals to other nations in order to ensure that such practices comply with the domestic laws, international obligations, and policies of the United States and do not result in the transfer of individuals to other nations to face torture or otherwise for the purpose, or with the effect, of undermining or circumventing the commitments or obligations of the United States to ensure the humane treatment of individuals in its custody or control.
White House officials said yesterday that while the original sense of the term ‘rendition’ may continue, the second won’t. "There is not going to be rendition to any country that engages in torture," one official at a background briefing said.
But how will that be determined? Poland, we know now, hosted some of the CIA’s secret detention facilities. But the State Dept., even through that period, said that Poland didn’t engage in torture. One of the president’s most important counterterrorism advisers, John Brennan, has called rendition "absolutely vital." What will count as a determination that a country doesn’t torture and is eligible to receive prisoners?
How long can the CIA hold detainees? The order is clear that the CIA is out of the secret-prisons business. But it does say that the prohibitions "do not refer to facilities used only to hold people on a short-term, transitory basis." Often, the CIA will be in a position of receiving detainees from partner intelligence services – cough Pakistan cough — before either detaining them itself or transfering them to military custody. The exemption here is probably designed to cover that, recognizing the reality that there will be times that CIA will simply have to have custody of detainees.
But for how long? What’s "short-term"? A few days? A few hours? A few weeks? The order further says that all U.S. agents must give the Red Cross "notification of, and timely access to, any individual detained." But it’s hard to imagine a circumstance in which the CIA will give the Red Cross access to just-captured detainees. During at least some period of time, these captures will be so-called "ghost detainees," as a practical. The question is how long. Additionally — although, if interrogations are harmonized across the government in line with Geneva, this may not be such an issue — what will happen to those detainees taken for interrogation in "temporary" CIA custody when no one is looking?
So those are some initial concerns to watch for. But there’s something else to consider. Let’s assume there are some people in the Obama administration who want to, for whatever reason, roll back the promises made in the executive order. They’ve got a hard bureaucratic road to hoe. The White House counsel Greg Craig is pretty hawkish against torture. The heads of the Justice Dept.’s Office of Legal Counsel, Dawn Johnsen and Marty Lederman, are too. As is the new Pentagon general counsel, Jeh Charles Johnsen. Positive signs on ending torture have come from the Attorney General-designate, Eric Holder; the soon-to-be-heads of the intelligence community, Blair and Leon Panetta; and, of course, Barack Obama himself. That’s not to say bureaucratic obstacles can’t be overcome. But it is to say that this is quite some firewall.
So I’ll be watching this stuff with vigilance. (Hold me to that.) But the early indications are positive. Obama just might have meant what he said, to Cheney’s horror, in his inaugural.
Crossposted to The Streak.



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Hey, should the date after Cheney’s quote be “2008″ and not “2007″?
Poland didn’t torture; it demanded radar and long-range missile interceptors.
Mauritania doesn’t torture, does it? What’d they ask for, if they don’t? Was it the billions of dollars that the Bush administration ponied up for AIDS/HIV efforts on the African continent?
I think there’s going to have to be some accountability on military and other kinds of aid, because it’s too frequently been used to obtain something other than billed.
Polish counterterrorism officials took part in the interrogations. And thanks for the 2008 correction.
Spencer, I haven’t been able to find your email so I will just ask here in the comments. Have you read any of the text of Col. Yingling’s recent talk? I read about it over at Ricks’ blog. Thoughts? Any ideas on what it would take to change the culture there? Or how interested Obama and/or Gates are in doing so? Is it feasible or is there just too much institutional inertia for these kinds of ideas and incentives systems to ever work?
Great post. You have it exactly right when you write, “If the review merely assumes that everything in the field manual is Geneva-compliant, it may end up reaffirming a codification of torture.” The only thing I’d change in this line is “may” to “will.”
You are also right to point out the problems with certain techniques in the manual proper, i.e., not just in the infamous Appendix M. Besides Ego Down, the most problematic technique is “Fear Up.” The old pre-2006 AFM noted it was the technique most likely to violate the law. The 2006 AFM dropped this warning, and added language that made it even more likely to violate Geneva and other treaties and laws. They added a clause that for the first time allowed the exploitation and creation of “new” fears, rather than manipulation of fears related only to the prison environment and current situation, as the old manual described “Fear Up.” This is an ominous change for anyone familiar to the use of fear and “dread” in the CIA’s old “Dependency, Debility, Dread” paradigm for psychologically and “scientifically” breaking down a person.
Re DDD, see also this historical document, Brainwashing, Conditioning, and DDD (Debility, Dependency, and Dread) (Sociometry, 1956). Two of the papers’ authors were leaders in their fields of psychology and psychiatry. One soon after writing the article became president of the American Psychological Association. The paper is associated with the work done on MKULTRA. The tentacles of Appendix M reach back to that era, so you need to know what you are dealing with here.
Great work, Spencer, and everyone at FDL.
What does John McCain think?
He’s who I trust on torture.
Haven’t seen Paul’s talk, but I’ll check it out.
“Polish counterterrorism officials took part in the interrogations.”
I’m sure they have or will argue otherwise; they were just ensuring delivery on their radar/missiles by assuring their own deliverables were met, yes?
(I did mean that first comment to be snarky — as well as this one.)
Kudos.
Ya, and he thinks John Kyl should run for president. I trust John too.
that’s not what’s going through his mind at all
what’s going through his mind is;
“obama is calling my bluff, what to do, what to do…I know, I will call in ALL my favors and have them go on Teevee and tell everyone that obama is making this country less safe”
that’s what’s going through his mind
ding
I’m sick of wingers arguing the value of torture as if gathering intelligence was ever the point of Cheney’s plan. Cheney needed to keep creating bad guys to shake the tax dollars out of us and into his coffers. Keep us scared and poor. that’s it.
Meanwhile, Hughes and Bartlett are publicly calling President Obama “ungracious.” I’d love to hear what they’re saying in private.
(via americablog)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01……html?_r=1
We’ll be extraordinarily lucky if bad talking on teevee is the worst thing that happens.
hardball on now with our favorite gitmo cheerleader Frank Gaffney plus David Corn from Mother Jones discussing torture and prosecution for same.
ding ding ding
The U.S. has interrogators. Why do we need to send ANY prisoner elsewhere? Why to Egypt, Poland, Syria, Jordan, or ANY other country? Don’t WE know how to question people? Are WE mute or gagged? Don’t WE have translators? It seems to me that this most basic question has not been asked. Is there something wrong with us that we cannot question prisoners ourselves? Is there another reason to send prisoners elsewhere except FOR torture? I must be missing something. I can only conclude that the ONLY reason we send prisoners elsewhere is for torture. Let us assume that native language interrogators may get better results if that’s one valid reason for sending a prisoner to his native country. Can’t we send along a “monitor” to film or observe? In most cases we probably already have “our” people there. However, if that’s a rationale, why is Eqypt so popular a destination? We sent Iraqis, Pakistanis, Afghans, and others there. Is Eqyptian some sort of universal prisoner language? And one more thing: too many people have adopted the Bush euphemism for kidnapping (rendition) and prisoner (detainee). Ugh. We should not be using their whitewashed terms.
fwiw, I think it was very gracious of PBO to let bush take the helicopter to texas after he’s stolen everything else.
talking on teevee is what they do, it’s how they poisen the country, it’s how they get people to vote against themselves, their children, their health.
talking on teevee is what they do
I agree that this bears watching. It’s one thing to order Gitmo closed. It’s quite another to say “Anyone we can’t prosecute, we free.” The former is a pretty popular step. The latter, I think, is one that could look bad in the future should one of those we set free turn out to be terrorists in the future. Facing that possibility is something that Obama needs to do, and my guess is that he’ll need a push to do it.
Say, what?
*g*
Obama is going to need a lot of help from tv pundits that he is not likely to get any time soon. The Punditocracy on the whole is pushing Cheney’s fear-mongering propaganda.
It’s an uphill battle to dial back American torture methods to meet the torture methods prescribed in the Army Field Manual.
You trust McCain on torture, even after the switcheroo he pulled on us in the Senate?
Bob in HI
he cannot get the media to help, they are corporate owned, corporate agenda plain and simple, and they owe cheney big time
Yep. See Glenzilla’s commentary today on “The newest fear-mongering campaign from the Right and the media.”
Bob in HI
I’d love for Barlett to have no more audience or soap box. He contributes nothing and smirks like W. Who cares what he opens his mouth to opine? He is a complete sycophant for the discredited W….give it up.
gang, Teddy’s comment about McRage is loaded with sarcasm and irony. lovin’ it. lol.
The Bushies aren’t going quietly into that good night! Same old lyin, arrogant bullshit….When will they ever learn?
Steve King R IA is claiming that closing GITMO will give the prisoners there a path to citizenship.
http://thinkprogress.org/
This isgoing to be the hardest thing: to educate or reeducate people on the foundation of our justice system. You must prove a man guilty of a committed crime before one can take away his liberty. This includes people who are potentially dangerous and looked at us funny. These are the “special” protections of US citizenship that Cheney says not everyone deserves. And yet, if our society is based on that, wouldn’t it hold that we would believe all our neighbors should be given these rights? Not in Cheney’s beautiful mind.
That’s beautiful! Legal puzzle solved! Thanks Rep. King!
That’s the weird thing I don’t get about McCain. That guy went through it, up close and personal, and still, still, he is such an advocate for it. What’s up with that? I think the psychologists have a word for it. It’s almost like a Stockholm Syndrome that wants company.
Is it written someplace that all men are created equal?
Do we need to point out that President Obama has released NO ONE from Gitmo? And that ALL those released so far were released by the Idiot Boy King? As were those tortured, tortured by order of the Idiot Boy King?
Any mistakes made yet at Gitmo are the Idiot Boy King’s, not Obama’s.
New post—>
Why?! He’s a flip flopper on the issue. Or were you just being sarcastic?!
I am almost always being sarcastic.
I believe you forgot to close your snark tag…!
What on earth are you talking about ?
Bush advocated abortion to the same degree that McCain advocated torture. Obama’s advocated segregation to the same degree.
You got anything other than being a massive liar to explain what you’ve written here ?
Obama’s been President for 3½ days. I’m appalled that he hasn’t fixed the economy, emptied Gitmo, indicted Bush and Cheney, and given me a puppy.
Years ago a friend told me that that Aeschylus had written: Wisdom comes alone through suffering. She said that this was backwards, that a lot of people suffer all their lives and never learn a thing, while to be wise was to suffer.
In any case, this reminded me of John McCain. Even jerks can become POWs and be tortured and afterwards they have learned nothing but are still jerks.
Well, I don’t trust McCain. He’s proven he can betray. And yet… then he turns around and signs off on explosive material in Levin’s Armed Service Committee report on SERE interrogations. When the latter is fully declassified in the next 2 or 3 weeks, stand back and watch the dominoes fall. If you don’t think they know what’s coming, then think again. It’ll be a shitstorm… maybe not a repeat of Abu Ghraib (no photos, I presume), but something approaching it, I think. Maybe something like the revelations around the destroyed videotapes, but a notch or two up from that.
I remember that being emphasized numerous times when I was going to school. A teacher of mine in elementary school even lectured us about the illogic of having it work the other way round – as in it’s somewhere between hard and impossible to prove you’re not guilty of something. Do people forget so easily, or is education that much worse now?
Nothing multiplied by a number is still nothing.
Remind me again what the fallout from the destroyed videotapes was ? Wasn’t it just #238,472 in the list of potential crimes discovered that were met with no consequence or accountability.
bmaz has been sounding the alarm that not everything in the 2006 rewrite of the Army field manual on interrogations is complaint with Geneva — in particular, a ten-page appendix known as Appendix M appears to go beyond the Geneva-based restrictions of the original field manual.
Credit where credit is due: Valtin, a psychologist / torture blogger, is the person who was first to make this call and has been tireless in spreading the word.
Thanks, Spencer, for amplifying the point. It cannot be ignored, despite the relief many rightly feel at the overall return to the rule of law.