Last week, CIA Director-designate appeared to argue that certain Al Qaeda detainees were too dangerous to stand trial — something that threw civil libertarians for a loop, given the recent executive orders from the Obama administration that ordered the closure of Guantanamo Bay, the CIA’s secret prisons and a thorough review of future detention policy. Now it looks like Panetta has company. At her confirmation hearing yesterday, Elena Kagan, the administration’s nominee to be solicitor general, made a similar point, according to the Los Angeles Times:
Harvard Law Dean Elena Kagan, President Obama’s choice to represent his administration before the Supreme Court, told a key Republican senator Tuesday that she believed the government could hold suspected terrorists without trial as war prisoners.
Apparently this came in response to an exchange with Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-SC), in which Graham asked Kagan to react to a quote from Attorney General Eric Holder’s confirmation last month that the Windy‘s own intrepid Kate Klonick noted:
I don’t think there’s any question that we are at war, and I think, to be honest, I think our nation didn’t realize that we were at war when in fact we were. When I look back at the 90s and Tanzania embassy bombings, the bombing of the Cole, I think we as a nation should have realized that at that point we were at war. We should not have waited until September 11th, 2001 to make that determination.
As Kate wrote, the implications of the statement are somewhat ambiguous. Also ambiguous is what Kagan meant: do battlefield captures in a war without a clear endpoint equate to total military discretion over the length of a person’s detention? And if that isn’t enough ambiguity, recall that Kagan, as solicitor general, won’t be a formal part of a the forthcoming administration review on detention policy. Still, it appears like it’s not just Panetta who thinks there’s something to the idea of a class of detainees who won’t face trial.
Crossposted to The Streak.



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Some prisoners are POWs and merit detention as such. Those prisoners should have their status announced and should be confined in accordance with the guildlines of international law.
If, additionally, these prisoners are thought to be guilty of criminal acts , they may face trial also.
If the endpoint of the war is unclear, there are other ways to determine the point at which their detention should end.
This administration’s policy and actions will matter a great deal Expecting subordinate members to say anything of import before the policy is finalized might be unrewarding.
I’m trying not to be (too much) of an ass, but I am so tired of this sort of lawyer speak. I know that it’s naive to think that Americans don’t torture, but dammit can’t we truly start to move that away, esp. with all the material coming out now about the ineffectiveness of it as an interrogation strategy (Jack Bauer excluded, of course)?
Thanks for all your work on this Spencer!
Er… who are they then ?
The only faction that would have qualified for POW status in the past 6 years would be the Iraqi military at the time of the invasion.
There’s a lot of wankers that argue against POW status on ideological grounds, but this doesn’t stop it being true. The fact remains that it simply is not afforded to anyone who isn’t fighting in accordance with the laws of war. If you don’t wear a uniform then the Geneva conventions says screw you, you don’t get POW status. Simple.
I think, but know little more than zip, that under the third Geneva convention members of resistance movements,
militias, volunteers, or even persons captured after committing a belligerent act whose status is unclear are all entitled to POW status.
I’m sure that you may be more familiar with international law, but that’s what I was going on.
Wiki says that apart from the “formal” militias which are associated with the actual armed forces….
I don’t think the Taliban or any of the Iraqi resistance groups are getting over those hurdles.
Me neither They are not lawful combatants.
But I think that unlawful combatants may be interned for the duration also.
(I got this from Wikipedia, a little further down from your citation.)