Not many generals have been inclined to portray calm in Iraq as irreversible. But in southern Iraq, where violence has declined so steeply that now U.S. troops come under attack only twice a day, that’s what Maj. Gen. Michael Oates perceives:
"In southern Iraq, it’s my considered opinion that (the progress) is not reversible," Oates said. The situation is less peaceful in parts of northern Iraq, particularly the city of Mosul, which commanders have called al-Qaeda in Iraq’s last urban stronghold. A suicide car bomber there killed four U.S. servicemembers on Monday in the single deadliest attack on U.S. forces since May.
It’s worth remembering that in March, the Mahdi Army of cleric Moqtada al-Sadr fought in Basra, Iraq’s largest southern city, against Iraqi security forces during a very bloody month. (Iran brokered a ceasefire.) Oates clearly wants to send a message that those days are over, and evidently has enough confidence in the assessment to use words that will be thrown back in his face if the violence reflares. Juan Cole wonders if the new stability shouldn’t also be credited to the Iranian influence in the region, as well as the Status of Forces Agreement’s guarantee of a 2011 U.S. withdrawal.
Oates also has a vivid quip illustrating the unexpected turns that counterinsurgency missions demand:
"We’re not going to let an infantry guy sit on a (base) if he can go out there and help with a veterinarian inoculating goats," Oates said.
"Now it’s not what he signed up to do. I got it. (But) if inoculating somebody’s goat is going to cause (an Iraqi) to connect with their government and not pick up an AK-47, that is security."
Call it Oates on goats. Inoculations for all, then.
Crossposted to The Streak.



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Spencer!
I don’t mean to butt heads or sound the horns on this one just to get yer goat, but.
WTW was he thinking?
*shakeshead*
Thanks Spencer.
digg is open.
inoculating My Pet Goat?
That actually sounds really reasonable to me. For very poor people a goat can mean life and death. Check out Heifer International for more info. Goats milk is the best substitute for human breast milk. They’re pretty tasty in a stew too, worse comes to worst.
I would be surprised if Oates thought of that out of the blue. I wonder if there have been troops to inoculate goats in Iraq. Goodness knows, medicine for humans is hard enough to come by, i wonder who supplied the goat “inoculant”.
Not so sure about the assertion “that (the progress) is not reversible” though…
I agree with Juan Cole. The combination of smart British occupation and Iran infusion of help on infrastructure has stabilized the area much more than the rest of Iraq. Dunderheaded CPA work has destroyed short term chances of peace elsewhere.
It maddens me, the unqualified talk of dramatic victory through the surge, when A) there is no victory and B) it was a less significant part of the improvement than many others.
Back in the day when I was in Vietnam, the Marine Corp has the best idea on COIN warfare which was split into small teams and actually live with and protect the villages. This worked, but the Gen in charge did not have enough people or time to make it effective.
The Marines-I was not a Marine-had a manual on asymetrical warfare-altho they did not call it that-from way back when they intervined all over Latin america from as far back as the early 20th century. The Bio of a great Marine- Chesty Puller-has a lot on this type of warfare.
In Iraq the very best thing we can do is leave!!!!!
It doesn’t really matter what the Gen say, Bush signed an agreement with Iraq that was exactly the opposite of everything he said he believed in. But it is there, and Obama is now the pres. The question is, does he have enough guts to fire Ordineoo?
Yeah, it’s absolutely reasonable. I didn’t post that sarcastically.
Um, do we really need 130,000 troops to innoculate goats? I try to live in the reality-based world where that is ridiculous. Bring the troops home & let the Iraqis innoculate their own goats.
BTW, goat cheese is my absolute favorite. Never had the milk or the meat though.
You don’t suppose that an “Iranian infusion” is a very mixed blessing, do you?
I couldn’t disagree more. It may sound silly from our modern perspective to emphasize health care for goats, but making US resources effective in a tangible way to Iraqis according to their immediate needs is the way to build positive, lasting relationships with regular people.
My question is, what took ‘em so long? Why weren’t they doing this in ‘03?
Let us audaciously hope that ‘it’ signals the beginning of a ‘pattern’ of ‘reasonableness’, Spencer, as, for the most part, we have had meager opportunity of using such a word as regards this entire sorry … ‘business’.
Speaking of ‘business’, and considering that we have now ‘invested’ more in this ‘unnecessary war’ than we, at least initially, intend to invest in our own nation and its people with the ’stimulus’, when (if ever) may we get an accounting as to who has most profited from this particular aspect of the endless war on terror? We should do so merely as a means of determining if we have gotten our money’s worth. I know that is crass, but I am beginning to wonder just how much more of this sort of ‘behavior’ (”diplomacy be other means”, as they say) that we can afford?
After all, I can imagine a scenario where we or Heifer International (who do it better, by the way) could have done this good thing for the people of Iraq without the preliminary fireworks, chest-beating, murder and mayhem.
My questions, of course, are purely rhetorical, Spencer.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you, Spencer, and everyone else here who care about and share their pondering upon such ‘things’.
It does seem to indicate that the military leadership is working itself around to an understanding that the time for warfare is at an end. To whatever extent infantry brigades, armor and air have made any contribution to the security of Iraq OR America, they no longer offer any tangible benefits.
An Intel/SpecOps presence in the region coupled with programs of immediate value to the population and a training/advisory contingent are realistically all that America can contribute to the process. And there does seem to be an ongoing reduction in resistance to that premise…
mikey