Comments on: Come Around My Way http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/ Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:59:36 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: macaquerman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7744 macaquerman Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:31:09 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7744 <p>And the problem with this is?</p> And the problem with this is?

]]> By: amberglow http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7742 amberglow Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:19:18 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7742 <p>Obama assured Republicans that he would change — or kill — withdrawal based on what the military said about security — that’s why the GOP and the right is all thrilled w/Obama’s “withdrawal” — </p> <p><a href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003063245" rel="nofollow">Lawmakers Voice Bipartisan Support for Iraq Withdrawal Plans</a> –<br /></p><blockquote>… The president assuaged many Republicans fears during conversations Thursday evening with House leaders and principals on pertinent committees by <strong>assuring the members that he will be willing to revisit the plans</strong> if events in Iraq require a slower withdrawal.</blockquote> <p>Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates backed up the president’s <strong>pledge to remain flexible</strong>, but said he is now comfortable with the 19-month plan for withdrawal.</p> <p>Arizona Sen. John McCain , ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and Obama’s rival in the 2008 presidential election, expressed support for the plan on the Senate floor Friday.</p> <p>“Given the gains in Iraq and the requirements to send additional troops to Afghanistan, together with the significant number of troops that will remain in Iraq and <strong>the president’s willingness to reassess based on conditions on the ground,</strong> I am cautiously optimistic that the plan as laid out by the president can lead to success,” McCain said. …</p> <p>A spokesman for House Armed Services ranking Republican John M. McHugh of New York said Obama was pressed on the issues of protecting security gains and offering military leaders the flexibility to do so. Obama’s answers offered some reassurance, the spokesman said.</p> <p>“The president assured [McHugh] <strong>he will revisit the tempo of the withdraw, or he will revisit the withdraw plan</strong> if the situation on the ground dictates it,” …</p> Obama assured Republicans that he would change — or kill — withdrawal based on what the military said about security — that’s why the GOP and the right is all thrilled w/Obama’s “withdrawal” —

Lawmakers Voice Bipartisan Support for Iraq Withdrawal Plans –

… The president assuaged many Republicans fears during conversations Thursday evening with House leaders and principals on pertinent committees by assuring the members that he will be willing to revisit the plans if events in Iraq require a slower withdrawal.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates backed up the president’s pledge to remain flexible, but said he is now comfortable with the 19-month plan for withdrawal.

Arizona Sen. John McCain , ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and Obama’s rival in the 2008 presidential election, expressed support for the plan on the Senate floor Friday.

“Given the gains in Iraq and the requirements to send additional troops to Afghanistan, together with the significant number of troops that will remain in Iraq and the president’s willingness to reassess based on conditions on the ground, I am cautiously optimistic that the plan as laid out by the president can lead to success,” McCain said. …

A spokesman for House Armed Services ranking Republican John M. McHugh of New York said Obama was pressed on the issues of protecting security gains and offering military leaders the flexibility to do so. Obama’s answers offered some reassurance, the spokesman said.

“The president assured [McHugh] he will revisit the tempo of the withdraw, or he will revisit the withdraw plan if the situation on the ground dictates it,” …

]]> By: frankly0 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7732 frankly0 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:13:44 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7732 <p>Just to clarify the point, the ideal scenario for Obama — an orderly, relatively expeditious withdrawal of troops followed by peace and democracy — is also what Bush and the neocons would consider their greatest possible vindication.</p> Just to clarify the point, the ideal scenario for Obama — an orderly, relatively expeditious withdrawal of troops followed by peace and democracy — is also what Bush and the neocons would consider their greatest possible vindication.

]]> By: frankly0 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7731 frankly0 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:07:12 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7731 <p>There is a potential irony worth paying attention to here, which the support of the National Review for Obama’s plan starts to suggest, because it indicates a convergence of goals between theirs and Obama’s.</p> <p>Suppose that Obama withdraws the combat troops over the next, say, 19 months, much as planned. Suppose that by the end of 2011, he pulls out all American troops, leaving the Iraqis to provide their own security. Suppose that Iraq is at that time peaceable and democracy is working — most likely a prerequisite anyway for Obama pulling the last troops out, and keeping them out in any case.</p> <p>Then weren’t Bush and the neocons right that they could achieve democracy and peace in the region (or at minimum in Iraq) by means of war? Don’t you think that will be the precise argument everyone on the right wing will be making for decades on end?</p> There is a potential irony worth paying attention to here, which the support of the National Review for Obama’s plan starts to suggest, because it indicates a convergence of goals between theirs and Obama’s.

Suppose that Obama withdraws the combat troops over the next, say, 19 months, much as planned. Suppose that by the end of 2011, he pulls out all American troops, leaving the Iraqis to provide their own security. Suppose that Iraq is at that time peaceable and democracy is working — most likely a prerequisite anyway for Obama pulling the last troops out, and keeping them out in any case.

Then weren’t Bush and the neocons right that they could achieve democracy and peace in the region (or at minimum in Iraq) by means of war? Don’t you think that will be the precise argument everyone on the right wing will be making for decades on end?

]]> By: DrZen http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7730 DrZen Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:27:17 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7730 <p>Well yeah, Spence, and all we had to do was timetable it for two years down the track. We probably will have “won” by then.</p> Well yeah, Spence, and all we had to do was timetable it for two years down the track. We probably will have “won” by then.

]]> By: tbsa http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7728 tbsa Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:15:12 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7728 <p>I love watching the GOP circular firing squad. I hope they keep rooting for America to fail. Lug is either too drugged or stupid to understand that Americans are in desperate need and they understand what it means for BO to fail would mean disaster for America and Americans.</p> I love watching the GOP circular firing squad. I hope they keep rooting for America to fail. Lug is either too drugged or stupid to understand that Americans are in desperate need and they understand what it means for BO to fail would mean disaster for America and Americans.

]]> By: foxman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7727 foxman Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:07:03 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7727 <p>Watching their implosion is wonderfuly entertaining, but can’t offset the sadness of the disaster they’ve created.</p> Watching their implosion is wonderfuly entertaining, but can’t offset the sadness of the disaster they’ve created.

]]> By: Teddy Partridge http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7726 Teddy Partridge Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:03:58 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7726 <p>Yup, they aren’t acquiescing — they are imploding. And Americans are rejecting them.</p> <p>Let’s not let them disguise who they are: warmongering racists who are, at base, unAmerican and unConstitutional.</p> Yup, they aren’t acquiescing — they are imploding. And Americans are rejecting them.

Let’s not let them disguise who they are: warmongering racists who are, at base, unAmerican and unConstitutional.

]]> By: TheLurkingMod http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7725 TheLurkingMod Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:02:49 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7725 <p>watertiger upstairs at the Mothership!<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/limbaugh-to-steele-all-your-republicans-are-belong-to-me/" rel="nofollow">Limbaugh to Steele: All Your Republicans Are Belong to Me!</a></p> watertiger upstairs at the Mothership!
Limbaugh to Steele: All Your Republicans Are Belong to Me!

]]> By: foxman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7724 foxman Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:00:43 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/03/02/come-around-my-way/#comment-7724 <p>“The important thing is that conservatives who for years said that a timetable-based withdrawal would be a disaster have acquiesced to the left’s position.”</p> <p>Hey Spencer,<br /> You know I am SO tired of this liberal vs conservative, left vs right kind of justification.<br /> Can’t we simply call it what it is: common sense and recognition of reality vs incredible arrogance and stupidity?<br /> Or is that too harsh?</p> <p>Thank you for your clear observation of reality.</p> “The important thing is that conservatives who for years said that a timetable-based withdrawal would be a disaster have acquiesced to the left’s position.”

Hey Spencer,
You know I am SO tired of this liberal vs conservative, left vs right kind of justification.
Can’t we simply call it what it is: common sense and recognition of reality vs incredible arrogance and stupidity?
Or is that too harsh?

Thank you for your clear observation of reality.

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