To gaze in one’s own navel: I said earlier I’d be listening to Obama’s Af-Pak speech for answers to four questions, like this was Passover or something. So what about those answers?
1. Will Obama give an exit strategy, an endpoint — if not necessarily a date — for when the mission is accomplished?
Answer: No. Saying you’ll "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" al-Qaeda is about the furthest thing from an endpoint as could be. What does it mean?
2. Will Obama say how we’ll know if his strategy is working or failing, and if so, how will he report it to Congress?
Answer: There was a lot of talk of benchmarks for Af-Pak strategy in the speech, where none before have existed. Check out Matthew Yglesias for more on that. And while this is more a promise than a plan, here’s what Obama said:
Going forward, we will not blindly stay the course. Instead, we will set clear metrics to measure progress and hold ourselves accountable. We’ll consistently assess our efforts to train Afghan security forces and our progress in combating insurgents. We will measure the growth of Afghanistan’s economy, and its illicit narcotics production. And we will review whether we are using the right tools and tactics to make progress towards accomplishing our goals.
Unsure about what reporting requirements Congress will add, but maybe that’s in the Pakistan bills he mentioned.
3. Will Obama make an argument for why the mission is in the national interest, and worth the sacrifice?
Answer: Most definitely. Simply put, preventing future attacks on the U.S. requires an increased commitment in Af-Pak. There’s sort of too much to summarize easily, but here’s a good excerpt:
Al Qaeda and its allies — the terrorists who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks — are in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its safe haven in Pakistan. And if the Afghan government falls to the Taliban — or allows al Qaeda to go unchallenged — that country will again be a base for terrorists who want to kill as many of our people as they possibly can.
4. Will Obama talk about what meaningful pressure he’ll put the Pakistani government to increase its counterinsurgency capability so the United States doesn’t invade western Pakistan, but will allow it to eliminate the safe havens for jihadists in the Pakistani tribal areas?
Answer: judgment call. He made a point of saying the aid he’s giving is "not a blank check." And there were a few sentences about U.S. expectations of the Pakistanis:
Pakistan must demonstrate its commitment to rooting out al Qaeda and the violent extremists within its borders. And we will insist that action be taken — one way or another — when we have intelligence about high-level terrorist targets.
Still, nothing in that or in other sections of the speech placed an affirmative burden on Pakistan when it comes to bolstered aid. Maybe that’ll be in the forthcoming bills.
Crossposted to The Streak.



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Thanks Spencer
Obama mentioned benchmarks that would be applied for the expenditure of funds. Doesn’t this count for a statement as to whether things are working and perhaps an endpoint at the end of the benchmarks/
Thanks Spencer
Seems like there’s a fifth question:
Will Obama tell us which American corporations profit from our military presence in Afghanistan, and how much that profit is?
Answer: You know the answer.
spence, i call BS. why are we in afghanistan in the first place?
“The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
– Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI, June 2006
source: http://www.projectcensored.org…..n-to-9-11/
I hate it when cave men with box cutters make our air defenses stand down, and make our investigations into it “set up to fail.”
I hope the cave men don’t attack us with antrax again.
And around and around we go.
Simply put, preventing future attacks on the U.S. requires an increased commitment in Af-Pak.
The same end might well be accomplished (much less expensively and with fewer war crimes) by ceasing to pander to every war criminal who comes to power in Israel and recognizing that Palestinians are people too.
i guess it’s silly to expect someone who refers to himself as “attackerman” to be anti-war… or even anti-illegal-war.
our troops are in afghanistan for one reason: to protect american interests. wake up, buddy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
“Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. “
i forgot to put quotes around “american interests” .. ok, FIXED.
“The establishment of U.S. military bases should not of course be seen simply in terms of direct military ends. They are always used to promote the economic and political objectives of U.S. capitalism. For example, U.S. corporations and the U.S. government have been eager for some time to build a secure corridor for US-controlled oil and natural gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea in Central Asia through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Arabian Sea. This region … has more than 6 percent of the world’s proven oil reserves and almost 40 percent of its gas reserves. The war in Afghanistan and the creation of U.S. military Bases in Central Asia are viewed as a key opportunity to make such pipelines a reality.”
http://stopusa.be/campaigns/te…..8;id=24157
I don’t want to get into a comment flame war, but Usama bin Laden has repeatedly claimed credit for 9/11.
Re-check that video, and note the width of the nose.
Also, if the FBI was convinced Usama took credit for it, why would they say they have no hard evidence? A confession video is as hard as it gets.
Maybe the video was a fake, as is obvious when you actually watch it, and don’t take Wolf Blitzer’s word for it.
Question for a mod. Is “Go Soak Your Head” considered fantasy violence?
I meant in the old fashioned, pre-water-boarding way.
Afghanistan, where empires go to die. More taxpayer money poured into the rathole of military contractors, a continuation of an imperial agenda and, most importantly, countless American, Afghani and Pakistani lives sacrificed for empire and the illusory rewards it promises.
Every time I see “illicit narcotics production” in Afghanistan I’m reminded of this post by James Wimberley at RBC. It seems to me that bringing Afghani opium production to INCB controlled markets and alleviating under treatment of pain is a win for all concerned.
No it’s not hard evidence in a legal setting, particularly when it’s a tape of a tape made in an unknown place .
If I was going to design a policy to keep the United States fighting in Afghanistan for perpetuity, this is pretty much exactly what I would do. It will mollify the public and many on the left (very broadly understood) by holding out the possibility of an end point, while actually inflaming the situation which will provide further justification for continued fighting.
Military action is unlikely to lead to the end of Al-Qaeda or the Taliban, it will likely make things worse in Pakistan, and it will definitely provide Al-Qaeda and similar groups with a resource to mobilize new adherents.
Judgments about war and peace should not be left to executives.
I thought the construction “Af-Pak” was to be avoided?
Please?
“…We are at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia…”
Don’t you mean length?
Watch this NBC News clip where a 9/11 hijacker laughs between takes of his martyr video. His two cousins were arrested in Lebanon a month ago, and they had been spying for Israel for 25 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0
It’s so unconvincing that NBC News tells us he was radicalized after recording this martyr tape.
Here’s the NY Times article about the cousins being arrested:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02…..banon.html
I notice it’s been “Afghanistan-Pakistan” for several weeks, in the media. How much is “mission-creep”? First, it was about Afghanistan, now it’s also Pakistan, linked together. Since I was for a police action, not invasion of Afghanistan after Sept. 11, 2001 (and still think so), I am very bothered by the escalation. On Jan. 23, 2009, a “red flag” went up for me, when I heard that Obama, only a few days in office as Pres., continued the illegal Bush drones/missiles into Pakistan. This has escalated. (Sources:Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk and DemocracyNow, to which I listen, then often read transcript.) I like the answer to Ques.#1, although I find the whole thing sad. I’m old enough to remember Vietnam. Someone,slightly younger, a big Obama supporter (an Independent), said, “Afghanistan is the LBJ-ing of Obama.”.
Let’s hope it doesn’t turn into Af-Pak-Iran.
spencer, you should re-run the numbers on 9/11. the FBI knows that they don’t add up; as do many military and intelligence professionals around the world.
just as most people understand by now that the iraq war was not fought over WMDs, many of us are no longer confused about the so-called “good war”. our conquests in central asia and the middle east are about achieving two primary goals: greater geopolitical hegemony in these regions and securing resources in the 21st century (read: it’s a smash-n-grab for power and oil).
so the question is: how do you get parents to give up their sons and daughters to fight and possibly die in a war for oil? you can’t have the POTUS get up on TV and convince people that if they want to continue driving their SUVs to church on sunday that they’ve got to give up a son or a daughter… the american public would never go for it.
so how do you do it?
we’re not spreading democracy in the middle east, friends. we’re there to protect “american interests.”
you seem like a smart guy, spence. haven’t you considered the possibility of a domestic author [a private think tank] developing a screenplay [plot] to be outsourced to foreign talent [proxy] for the lead and supporting actor roles [terrorists] in a grand production [terror event] with a simple matrix of plausible deniability?? we know the CIA’s tenuous connections to bin laden and zbigniew brzezinski’s role in forming the mujahideen… it’s not a stretch to assume US complicity in the attacks when you understand the dark history of these covert operations, as well as the history of false flag terrorism and its objectives.
seriously, spence; have even you seen press for truth? it is sourced entirely from mainstream media and it tells the story of the jersey girls: the women who pressured the bush administration to create the 9/11 commission.
Yes, but let’s not be passive. How can we prevent it, and get out of Afghanistan and stop escalation into Pakistan? Your comment is one scary possibility, though:Af-Pak-Iran (well worded). Oy vey.
From that NY Times article I linked to above:
“It is not the family’s first brush with notoriety. One of Mr. Jarrah’s cousins, Ziad al-Jarrah, was among the 19 hijackers who carried out the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, though the men were 20 years apart in age and do not appear to have known each other well.
Mark Regev, a spokesman for Israel’s prime minister, Ehud Olmert, declined to discuss Mr. Jarrah’s situation, saying, “It is not our practice to publicly talk about any such allegations in this case or in any case.””
Nice link to “Press for Truth.” It’s the best introduction to the subject, and no, I don’t think it was a purely Israeli/American Zionist plot.
But speaking of American Zionists, meet Jerome Hauer:
“On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.
Mr. Hauer’s advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.
“On September 11, 2001, in addition to his job with the NIH, Jerome Hauer was also Managing Director of Kroll Associates, a well-established security firm serving clients in the military and the US government. In the 1980s, Kroll was known as the “CIA of Wall Street” because of the sorts of the people it hired, and the sorts of tasks they were assigned.
Strangely, perhaps, on 9/11, Kroll was in charge of security for the entire World Trade Center complex.
The head of security at the WTC on September 11, 2001, was former FBI counter-terror specialist John P. O’Neill.”
http://winterpatriot.blogspot&…..iting.html
Eggzacktly.
Sorry, but Usama bin Laden designed it from the ground up. We know this because he hasn’t exactly been hiding it from us. His plan all along has been to bait the US into overreacting to his provocations, so he can get boatloads of recruits.
Obama’s problem is that it may well be debatable whether our presence in Af-Pak helps or hurts two very unstable governments. Remember, Pakistan has nukes and we really don’t want those falling into the hands of the Taliban.
When the Soviets were making moves on and in Afghanistan in the 1980’s USA put in motion Soviet opposition which mutated into political forces now thriving in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
As noted above by others Americans certainly are in this part of world because western energy interests are interested in this part of the world.
Conveniently American militarism which is funded at levels that support claims which point out WashingtonDC funds Pentagon yearly as much as next ten countries yearly spend on military(includes China).So why not put a big American presence into Afghanistan? Spill over into Pakistan and threaten Iranian eastern borders as well as those on Iraqi western side?
American dollar in crisis? So what? Just keep throwing billions of $$ into West,South and Central Asia. Keep printing more $$. Faster. Wheres the harm?
This all works well enough until American troops start getting killed in hard to hide ways or as was the case in Vietnam Americans find out they cannot kill to victory. No matter how many bombs they drop(Vietnam taking more bombs than dropped by USA in WW2)via USAF are unable to “wrap” things up as was done with Japan in 1945.
President Obama suggested during campaign he was going to bring troops home. Now not even six months into his presidency President Obama is putting Americans into “Af-Pak”(nice Pentagonese that) which is more like where Americans were in Vietnam circa 1964.
As it was with Iraq Attack and Occupation(about Iraqi oil) so is this new thrust into Afghanistan,putting Pakistan into play and still menacing Iran it is about oil/gas.
It we wanted to really settle 9/11 scores we would have been tracking down the money trail which surely leads to Saudi Arabia. For that matter many of the 9/11 operatives were from Saudi Arabia. Odd how Saudi Arabia escapes scrutiny. Iraq got it though. Afghanistan is going to get it. Looks like Pakistan is going to get it. Iran may still get it.
Saudi Arabia? Not so much.
President Obama appears to be have been taken in by the Pentagon Party.
The Pentagon Party works hand in hand with Big Western Energy interests which is a version of profits privatized/costs socialized corporatism.
Ten years from now? Been there,done that,not a happy ending. See Vietnam.
Actually, there’s a money trail heading to the former head of the Pakistani ISI. Watch “Press for Truth”!
There’s money trails leading in a few different interrelated directions.
do you have any evidence indicating that usama “designed it from the ground up”?
during a press conference on the eve of the september 11th anniversary, dana perino was asked:
also, see this.
Spencer has a journalism career to look after. He can’t be that loon who questions Cheney’s morality, “on such a massive scale,” even though Howard Dean did:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
What are you gonna do? I can’t entirely blame him, but skeptical analysis of our foreign policy is the least he could do. Even if he uses terms like Af-Pak, like we’ve been fighting Pakistan for some time now.
In my comment, I didn’t imply you implied any Israel/Am.zionist connection. Some kind of mixup,no doubt. I was thinking along the lines of Chalmers Johnson’s “Nemesis” and “Sorrows of Empire” but didn’t mention the books.
ackerman does little more than parrot for the state department.
he’s either too soft to ask the hard questions, or he’s been completely indoctrinated by all the propaganda being pumped out of washington.