On ’60 Minutes’ this Sunday, President Obama said "There’s got to be an exit strategy" for Afghanistan, but today he… didn’t give one. What’s the story with that? The chairpeople of the administration strategy review –former CIA official Bruce Riedel, Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke and Undersecretary of Defense Michele Flournoy — addressed that question in a press briefing today. They placed a U.S. exit in the context of Afghan security-force capacity:
AMBASSADOR HOLBROOKE: The only exit strategy that Bruce and Michelle and I and the people we work for and with can see is pretty basic. We can leave as the Afghans can deal with their own security problems. That’s why the President today put emphasis on training the National Army, training and improving the National Police. And he said — and I would draw your attention to this — that there will be an increase in their numbers, although he did not give a precise figure. I’ve seen some in articles, particularly one in The New York Times the other day — those figures were figures kicking around in the planning process, but they weren’t sufficiently scrubbed down; they weren’t sufficiently costed out. So the President felt that he ought to just talk about the increase now and we’re going to keep working on it.
And:
MS. FLOURNOY: If I could just clarify one point on the topic of exit strategy, even as we ultimately consider transition of responsibilities in the security sector, one of the things that’s very clear in this strategy is a long-term commitment to assisting the Afghan people, in terms of economic and security assistance long-term, even as the security sector may transition over time. So I wanted to clarify that.
Flournoy’s comment seems rather on-point. This is a deep commitment to Afghanistan.
But about the question of Afghan security-force capacity determining a U.S. exit. It’s a separate question from the stated goal of the mission, which, as Flournoy said, is "disrupting and defeating al Qaeda and its associates, and preventing Afghanistan and Pakistan — preventing Afghanistan from returning to become a safe haven." Conceivably, there could be a situation where, to use Holbrooke’s phrase, the "Afghans can deal with their own security problems" before al-Qaeda is disrupted and defeated, especially if we’re going by Denis McDonough’s definition of those terms. Would we leave the job to them, then? Alternatively, we could conceivably disrupt and defeat al-Qaeda — and, you know, insh’allah to that – before we nurture a sufficiently capable Afghan security infrastructure. It seems clear from Holbrooke and Flournoy’s comments that we would not leave Afghanistan before that situation came to pass.
The broader point — to answer Dan Froomkin’s questions — isn’t to make a normative case for one alternative or the other. It’s to point out that these are seperable issues. If the goal is a goal about al-Qaeda, it’s hard to understand defining the exit in different terms. It’s one thing to assure the Afghans that the U.S. won’t abandon them to their fate. But it’s another to explicate the exit strategy of a counterterrorism mission in terms of state-building. What if there are capable Afghan security forces but still al-Qaeda safe havens in Pakistan?
Crossposted to The Streak.



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What we should have done right from the start, instead of blowing the living daylights out of these poor people, is bombarded them with American culture. Blue jeans and reality TV and cable TV and DVD players and Ford Mustangs and big screens and Wii and XBox and McDonalds and T Shirts and rock concerts and internet porn and subprime loans and Capital One credit cards and on and on and on and it would have been far cheaper and way more effective that what we are doing now.
As they say: I have a very bad feeling about this.
Wouldn’t the Russians have said the same things about their committment?
And the British? (long, long ago)
I didn’t think I’d like the taste of Holbrook’s koolaid, so I didn’t and won’t drink it. I guess Obama likes it.
Not to say that I have a better idea, but somehow Af-Pak is more than a challenge, it may be yet another La Brea entrapment pit. Escalation seems built-in. Estrangement from the people is built-in to escalation. The Afghanis may be the best-over-time in defeating people they think are trying to dominate them. Not a good prognosis. As for Pakistan. Ungovernable may be the right term if you’re thinking democracy. Absolute (and totally ruthless) military dictatorship, maybe.
Obama is right to worry about safe havens for non-rational terrorists bent on destruction of opponents outside their firmament. I worry too. Somehow I don’t see how to prevent the safe havens in societies from whom we are so culturally different. We are the other, they don’t understand us, and we don’t understand them.
Quick thought: maybe we should concentrate on secretly buying some totally ruthless local warriors that self organize and self-command, who are willing to do mini-genocide on any groups that give evidence of being more than troublesome but could do something totally stupid and destructive. I know we did this to the Russians, and it turned out long-run to be arming the next generation threat. To change that, maybe we should let them do their work (and succeed) and then take out the list of those involved on ‘our’ side and systematically ‘remove their capacity’.
You’re a merciless son of a gun
I am looking at it this way. We want to disrupt and defeat Al Qaeda to the best extint possible but at some point if we ever want to leave we are going to need to outsource or more accurately insource that job. That is why if you ask me the exit strategy has to be based on what capabilities the Afghan army and police have. No matter how many Taliban or al Qaeda terrorists we kill there will always be more falling in their steps and so if we leave without having a strong Afghan force there it will be all for naught. In all reality I think the fact that its predicated on propping up the Afghan army and not on destroying al qaeda is a GREAT thing and here is why. We can quantify with absolute certainty how many Afghan troops we train and prepare to fight the extremists. That means we can clearly define success by how many of them we get prepared and thus we can clearly define when its time to haul ass. On the other hand if its defined by destroying al Qaeda then how will we ever really be sure that we got all of them. And if we can’t how can we really justify leaving especially if the Afghan Army isn’t ready to take over? I think it will take us less time to prop up the Afghan army than it would to hunt down each and every extremist that we already know about also. If we really want to get out of Afghanistan at the first opportunity then I really believe that it makes sense to tie our exit to the development of the Afghan Army.
*when I say Afghan Army I am of course also referring to the Afghan police
Was there any mention of, you know, actually getting Osama bin Laden and his murderous crew?
This is a forever war.
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To Do List:
Pull Out As Soon As Possible-
1.
Germany(European security & containment of Russia requires our presence)
2.
Japan(East Asian security & containment of China & Russia requires our presence)
3.
Korea(East Asian security & containment of China requires our presence)
4.
Iraq(Energy security & defense of Israel & Saudi Arabia requires our presence)
5.
Afghanistan(We’ll think of something.)
6. Think of something.
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Book Salon up at the Mothership with Jerry Stahl’s Pain Killers hosted by Jane
The US will only pull out of Afganistan when it goes broke after treading on the backs of its people.
It’s “The white mans burden” deja vu all over again.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/Kipling.html
Take up the White Man’s burden–
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
…
Take up the White Man’s burden–
The savage wars of peace–
…
Twas ever thus.
Nice post by Synoia. It took the Brits about 100 years to cast off the “white man’s burden”. How long will it take us? Why did we take it on?
Why wasn’t the current method of pacification started immediately after we invaded?
Oh well, here we continue still. Maybe we should have learnt from the Russians.
Assumpsit
Germany, Iraq and many other places are doable. I’m not sure about the UK.
Until we have a better handle on N. Korea I can’t see us retreating from S. Korea and Japan.
In this age of technology it would seem the more friends we have who can share intelligence the less we need to have troops based everywhere.