Adam Serwer at TAPPED, reading reports of how White House aide John Brennan is pushing to stop declassifications of torturous CIA interrogations, observes:
Brennan may have withdrawn his name from consideration as head of the CIA, but he’s clearly winning the battle over who has more influence with the president. Civil libertarians didn’t beat Brennan. He beat them.
Just saying: who called this? Back in January? Huh? All right then.
Substantively, those who are arguing against disclosure — in response to an ACLU court challenge, remember — mount a weak case. As the Wall Street Journal puts it:
But top CIA officials and some in the White House argue that disclosing such secrets will undermine the agency’s credibility with foreign intelligence services. They also say revealing operational details will embroil officers in probes of activities that were cleared by Justice Department lawyers at the time.
Of course, what the ACLU wants are those Justice Department memos as well, so it’s clear that these are techniques that the Bush Justice Department ordered. As for embroiling them in probes, there’s already a congressional probe brought by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). The broiler’s already on. And what credibility problem exists if the CIA, acting per President Obama’s orders, no longer tortures people? Going further on that point, the CIA is the most prestigious intelligence agency in the world. Other intelligence services, with puny budgets by comparison, want to bandwagon with it, not against it. That intractable power dynamic is the surest hedge against any "credibility" concern.
And let’s also not lose the forest for the trees. To steal borrow a point from Marcy — who had a great dual-meaning in her headline — thanks to Mark Danner at the New York Review of Books, we already have a taxonomy from the International Committee of the Red Cross of what sorts of torture detainees endured at the CIA’s hands. al-Qaeda already has its propaganda tool. The only way it could add to that propaganda line would be if the Obama administration sowed doubt through excessive secrecy that it really was repudiating the torture policies of the Bush administration.
Also, don’t miss Adam’s civil-libertarian scorecard for the Obama administration.
Crossposted to The Streak.



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Brennan’s decided that the solution to Pandora’s Box having been opened is to pretend that it was never opened, and that we can operate on that premise. Sptooey.
Bob in HI
Just watch the film “Taxi to the Dark Side” if you want to learn of those “secret” operational details.
Credulity seriously wavered as “the CIA is the most prestigious intelligence agency” hove into view, but when I consider their peers, it’s not really a compliment, after all.
Sorry for the OT, but here’s a Comedy Winger Update:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..87243.html
“Then she said something ’bout a milk and a cow…”
Thank goodness for folks like you and Marcy, the ACLU and others who keep up the vigilance and debate on this issue.
blergh. what happened to transparency??
And the difference between a Dianne Feinstein probe and a Dianne Feinstein coverup is what, exactly?
Barack Obama isn’t a Progressive. In fact, he’s about as DLC as you can get and the Democratic Leadership Council is nothing more than a group of people too ashamed to call themselves “Republican”. The worst part is that Obama is one of the most progressive presidents we have ever had. How sad is that?
Thanks a lot Mr. Obama for supporting the Rule of Law for us! Looks like we have to count on the Spanish people to stand up for us here in America. Keep in mind that everything Bush & company did was based on 9/11. The shredding of our Constitution and our basic rights. The fake wars. The deaths of over a million Iraq citizens. The deaths of thousands of our brave soldiers and the disabling of hundreds of thousands more. The illegal spying. The torture. The hundreds of billions of our tax dollars transfered to their own corporate war machine or “lost” through fraud. Their endless lies. And let’s not forget that steel frame buildings can not and do not collapse at almost free fall speed into their own footprints (THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANCE, see http://www.journalof911studies.com for the scientific explanation), because that’s impossible without a whole lot of preparation! It’s time for Obama & Congress to wake up to the fact that the public knows all this and demands justice for all these CRIMES.
Well now, let’s see.
Our other ‘choice’ was Hillary Clinton, of whom many would say precisely what you’ve said, Margaret, about Obama.
Still others would say that, given our ‘choices’ within the D-party, the ‘lesser’ weevil was chosen.
In comparison with McCain, that (along with Palin) being our ‘other choice’ in the ‘general’ election, most would definitely say we chose the lesser weevil.
Perhaps we need better weevils.
However, given that MONEY, ultimately decides what our ‘choices’ will be, it would appear, barring some quite remarkable (and even miraculous) ‘change’ that our ‘representative’ form of governance has reached the end of its usefulness to the genuine aspirations and heartfelt needs of the ‘people’.
Given that we have had some fifty years of the deliberate ‘dumbing down’ of the populace, owing to the intentional and ongoing destruction of the educational system, it is doubtful that the public is able or even willing to stand for ‘participatory’ democracy.
The ruling classes are counting on confusion and despair to rule the day and thus ensure their continued control of most wealth and all meaningful power …
We, that is, the ‘people’, may expect little or no help from the Political Cla$$, who, for the most part, identify themselves closely with America’s Own Ari$tocracy, the less than 2000 souls who ‘own’ 90% of America’s ‘wealth’.
When ‘push’ comes to ’shove’ (and we are closer to that ‘place’ every day), things are bound to become, as they say, ‘interesting’.
Very interesting.
TBaggTBogg is upstairs at the top of the front!How very grassrooty
So you’re in favor of giving Obama a pass because he’s the lesser evil?
Now eCAHN, you know me better than that, I should hope.
Henceforth, NO passes for any political jack-asses.
Obama will either be the last of the traditional American Presidential Politicians or, if he is wise and possess even a modicum of courage and understanding, the first of a new kind of ‘leader’.
So far, he appears to be plumping for the former.
As you know, I have long had the slender (if audacious) hope that Obama, since he has young children, would care what kind of a world they would inherit. Apparently, he is convinced that his family has now joined the ‘legacy’ class and his children’s futures are assured. No doubt the illustrious Mr. Summers has convinced him that four-hour a week jobs with a five-million dollar ‘compensation’ and untold ‘retention benefits’ await the Obama girls.
So, no, eCAHN, I don’t give Obama a ‘pass’.
;~D
I had the same thoughts; and sadly came to the same conclusion.
Thanks for the post, Spencer. I wrote about this aspect too.
Obama certainly has his inscrutable side. How can he be for openness, forthrightness, the buck stops here kind of democracy and then want to deep six information very relevant to the principles of our country? I would expect Bush to cover up, deny, even blame, but I would not believe Obama would turn his back when he is responsible for reinstating American ideology. What is going on here? Just own up to our failures, allow those to retire who so choose, but most of all, indict the criminals.
Oh, how I agree if this secrecy prevails.