One of the Office of Legal Counsel memos that was released today was the famous hidden "Yoo-Bybee Two" or "Second Bybee Memo" from August 2002. Recall that the first August 2002 OLC specified that it was acceptable to apply physical pain to a detainee so long as it was less than the sort of pain emerging from "organ failure, impairment of bodily functions, or even death." This one, long hidden from Congress and just released by the Obama administration, cashes that out. What sort of techniques could the CIA use on Abu Zubaydah, an al-Qaeda operative in custody who had been shot through the leg during his 2002 capture?
Lots of things, it turns out, including waterboarding him and putting him in a "confinement box," into which an insect would be place to exploit his fears. The reasoning employed is that of someone determined to show how techniques that would never, ever be acceptible for themselves or their families to be subjected to can be applied to someone else unproblematically. Consider this explanation of how Abu Zubaydah’s placement in the "confinement box" doesn’t constitute severe mental suffering:
… you [the CIA] have informed us [the Office of Legal Counsel] that he [Abu Zubaydah] would spend at most two hours in this box. You have informed us that your purpose in using these boxes is not to interfere with his senses or his personality, but to cause him physical discomfort that will encourage him to disclose critical information. Moreover, your imposition of time limitations on either of the boxes indicates that the use of the boxes is not designed or calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality. For the larger box, in which he can both stand and sit, he may be placed in this box for up to eighteen hours at a time, while you have informed us that he will never spend more than an hour at a time in the smaller box. These time limits further ensure that no profound disruption of the senses or personality, were it even possible, would result….
[Y]ou would also like to introduce an insect into one of the boxes with Zubaydah. As we understand it, you plan to inform Zubaydah that you are going to place a stinging insect into the box, but you will actually place a harmless insect in the box, such as a caterpillar. If you do so, to ensure you are outside the predicate death requirement, you must inform him that the insects will not have a sting that would produce death or severe pain. If, however, you were to place the insect in the box without informing him that you are doing so, you should not affirmatively lead him to believe that any insect is present which has a sting that could produce severe pain or suffering or even cause his death.
The subtext of course: but it’s OK if you let his imagination wander, horribly, when he’s in a confined space and suddenly feels unseen tiny legs crawling over him out of nowhere. For, say, an hour at a time — to be generous to the OLC writers.
Something is very clear from these memos. The Bush administration often liked to say that they needed these memos to remain confidential in order to preserve the principle that the administration should receive the most candid legal advice available. What that secrecy fomented was a culture in which the precise conditions under which a man who had been shot in the leg could be placed inside a cramped box — how many hours? — and subjected to insects crawling on him without it being blatantly illegal. It wasn’t just Abu Zubaydah’s senses and personality that these memos warped.
Crossposted to The Streak.
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NPR has the techniques/memos as the lead story…ACLU will fight for more memos to be released and for prosecution….Not the end of the story.
The quote is, “Even Jesus would never forgive what you do.” Just saying.
I have come to believe that the criminal activities of the bush administration, and the near destruction of American Constitutional government through executive order and the passage of the patriot act, are the most important issues for the country to adress. The crazed right wing politiking of the intractable republican party in colusion with coporate interests, which is blocking and choking off the economic policy “change” Pres Obama was elected to bring, can only be removed by going after the criminal element in right wing politics, which is walking around free to wage war on the American people. Nothing will change until they are brought down and brought to bay. President Obama at this point has to leave fear behind and go after them like the country and his presidency depends on it, becuase they do.TO… REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT.
yoo is a criminal who yoosed his diploma to help a depraved administration destroy this country
I hold obama as guilty as yoo
Bradbury uses the same defense he used before Congress in regard to “intent”. His argument has always been that since thier “intent” was to secure information and not to inflict pain with the use of the “techniques” then they were not breaking any Laws or Treaties. It didn’t fly in front of Leahy, Whitehouse, or Feingold then and I don’t expect it will now.
Who were they copying? Justice Scalia taught us that the TV show 24 can teach us whether torture is moral. This sounds more like a Mafia movie with the lawyer / consigliare plotting crimes with “Don” Bush.
And where is the National Security concern that prevented these memos from being released? No where. Because it is obvious here that they didn’t want to release these memos for fear that every American would see exactly what a cowardly little squit Bush, Yoo, Bybee, et al actually are. Like dirty nasty little boys snickering over someone elses pain and fear.
Once the insect was removed, the suffering ended. No prolonged suffering, no torture. So, of course confining someone to a small dark box with stinging insects isn’t torture!
Christ on his throne! My 4 year old could do better legal analysis.
The absolute loathing and horror at what George W. Bush and his acolytes have done comes through in Andrew Sullivan’s take:
A sad day indeed.
These are some sick bastards that deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison. Prosecute these sons of bitches NOW!
I think shrub’s torturers missed the point of Room 101. The rats weren’t actually used. It was the fear of the rats, which were described by O’Brien to his victim, that prompted Winston’s final psychological breakdown. It was a testament to the success of the torturers’ psy-ops that mere threat, based on the victim’s psychological profile, could effectively bend the will of the victim to his torturers. The equivalent here would be: “Zubaydah, do you see that box over there? Unless you start cooperating, we will put you into that box and then release a stinging insect into the box with you. Imagine the bug crawling over your body just waiting to bite you. Imagine suffering in the box, in the dark, after you’ve been bitten. Use your imagination.”
If you actually do have to put the victim into the box, you’ve already failed, because all you would have achieved is the victim’s physical discomfort. Once the bug has bitten him and he’s still alive or alternatively nothing happened and he just sat there with a bug in the dark for a while, the victim would figure out nothing worse will be done to him, and become all the more stubborn and non-cooperative. In fact, many victims would, I suspect, think they would have triumped over their torturers at that point (hah! you did this terrible thing to me and all I did was squish a bug).
My theory is that this wasn’t about interrogation at all. shrub and his torturers just wanted to mess with people, and make them suffer. This was just pure sadism.
I don’t see how anyone can avoid the conclusion that these men spent a lot of time thinking and writing about torture because they really liked thinking and writing about torture.
I wonder what Bush and Cheney are thinking about today?
Their despicable acts have finally been pushed into the public.
Proud now? Sickos.
-G
Ironic and sad that beasts equal to the 9-11 terrorists have been revealed in our country.
May their legacy always be associated with sickos and textbook sociopathic.
Or they visualized the Hague and decided they were going to make up some fantastic lies so they wouldn’t have to go there.
The first memo always underscored for me the complete lack of general knowledge in the Bush Admin. Skin is an organ, if you’re bleeding, it’s failed; but that’s clearly not what is meant in that memo. Applying that same attitude to the new memo I’m guessing “insect” = camel spider.
Every single person connected has to go to jail.
If there’s not enough room release the burners.
Do you want a torturer or burner as a next door neighbor.
Only traitors torture and we need a cleansing.
Top to bottom apply the law of the land, they all took an oath they betrayed, along with betraying the country they claim to protect.
…and CNN’s headline is that no one will be prosecuted for torturing, ehr enhanced interrogation.
You know, they never would have written anything that had any chance of coming to light if they believed that there would be any repercussions. Although often pictured as bumbling halfwits, these guys are smart enough to know that war crimes trials are very unlikely. Lots of Democrats are complicit, and Obama doesn’t want it.
Who authorized the torturing of the testicles of toddlers in an effort to get their parent’s compliance?
That’s the SMOKING GUN memo.
Jesus loves him some little children.
Enjoy.
stuffing someone into a box with bugs isn’t just torture. Its Pit and the Pendulem medieval drama-queen torture undertaken by imbeciles who draw all of their life lessons from TV and video games. If they won’t prosecute these people as war criminals, may I suggest that they commit them as psychopaths. There must be something in the DSM that can be used to justify the commitment of people who would do this sort of thing.
Absolutely. I was talking around our virtual FDL watercooler about Room 101. Glad you made this point.
Evil. Pure evil.
Thanks for this post and your coverage, Spencer.
The frequency of the memos suggests an obsession with torture, nominally to obtain essential information. But as the Stanford experiments showed, it becomes a norm and an end in itself. The “system” in which it operates begins to castigate and ostracize those not with the program.
The dark side Cheney let loose was his own inner self. He said, “Let there be darkness” and it was so. Mr. Obama wants to shine his light only upon those things already in the light. How weak is his bulb?
Jay Bybee: Still on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
Still.
Just sayin’
I’m fascinated–and repelled–by the loving attention to detail in these memos, the gloating over the exact specifics of the insect to be used, the vicariously imagined mental state of the victim, and the like. This is not a legal opinion. It is not policy. It is pornography. Perversion. de Sade.
I can’t imagine this working against any reasonably hardened ideolog. It isn’t remotely practical. Instead, there is something childish and experimental about it. The kind of imagination revealed by these documents is that of those prepubescent hoodlums that try to find ever more exotic ways to torment bugs (using magnifyng glasses, matches, staging fights between them, etc.). Only this time, the adults seem determined to NOT tan anyone’s backside and pack him off to therapy.
robspierre, I have to disagree. I don’t think you understand the mental disruption being forced to sit shackled on a chair for a week (A WEEK!), unable to get comfortable enough to sleep, with nothing to look at and, one presumes, bright lights and rock music 24/7 would cause your “hardened ideologue”. And a phobic reaction is not something you can control. For an arachnophobe to be locked in a coffin with a spider! Yeah, I suppose that if you knew to expect it, you could train yourself to withstand it, but when he was learning to withstand interrogation, he would have learnt to defeat things like the Reid method, physical assaults and deprivation techniques to a point, but all of them, all the time, for months?
This memo reminds me of the scene in ‘Brazil’ when we meet the receptionist in the torture department. She’s a very happy cherubic woman who is very nice and charming, and when she takes the dictaphone headset off, we can hear screaming coming through. We see the transcription she is typing, and it reads, “AAAHHHGG! NO! NO! STOP! I’LL TELL YOU ANYTHING!”
She says something like, “He’ll be with you in a minute, dear.” And then she gets back to transcribing, a smile on her face, not a care in the world.