Greg Sargent makes a great point about the torture memos:
What was actually revealed in yesterday’s memos was the nature of the Bush administration’s efforts to legalize and justify the “harsh interrogation techniques” that we mostly knew about already. And it’s not terribly difficult to imagine why some folks would want those legal efforts kept under wraps.
That’s apropos of the chorus of Bush officials — see this Politico piece, for instance; or this Michael Mukasey/Mike Hayden op-ed — who are saying that Obama irresponsibly revealed CIA torture techniques. He revealed them, in all likelihood, because he’s forsworn them, and to move on. As Greg says, we knew most of this stuff had happened. (Obama noted the same thing yesterday.) What really rankles these people is that their ability to harmonize putting someone in a "confinement box" with insects with statutes and treaties that expressly forbid torture is now entirely on display.
Let’s put it another way. One thing that the August 1, 2002 Yoo/Bybee torture memo — the one released in 2004 — focuses on is the alleged difficulty of defining what interrogation procedures would "shock the conscience" of a reasonable individual, since that standard is rather salient when it comes to the federal anti-torture statute. By taking a deliberately agnostic stance on the prospect of ever finding such a consensus around "reasonableness" — hey, it’s a wide world out there, what shocks me might not shock you, so who’s to say — you wind up with absurdities like rubber-stamping as humane our confinement box of insects. As it happens, when a conservative friend of mine read that the Justice Department had blessed putting people in a confinement box of insects, he IM’d me to say "Holy Fuck." Miracle of miracles: putting someone in a confinement box of insects makes people say Holy Fuck. We have our reasonable-individual standard reaction.
Indeed, the only person who doesn’t mind putting someone in an enclosed space with insects is Buffalo Bill from "The Silence of the Lambs." The memos reveal that for a long time, the government of the United States adopted his moral standards. If you had been guided by that legal reasoning, you’d do whatever was in your power to keep it from the public, since you know what they’ll say. Holy Fuck.
Crossposted to The Streak.




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Bunch of sick Mormon fucks.
Impeach
Bybee
Now
Attaboy Attackerman. Nice work.
Seems like kind of a minimal test, doesn’t it?
It is the act of requesting the memos to be written that constitutes a criminal enterprise. Addington asked OLC to write these and he didn’t come up with the idea on his own. Thanx Dick.
Isn’t hurting people illegal even if it’s not torture? What about assault and battery and kidnapping and abuse?
Add Richard Adams (here) to the list of people who don’t mind confining people in a box with an insect. I really don’t understand this mindset.
The “shock the conscience” standard works mainly if you start by assuming the humanity of the other person. If, however, you are told that these are the “worst of the worst,” and therefore not to be considered human, to be despised out of hand, then it’s not so difficult.
What the right does is take for granted– without trial or due process– the “worst of the worst” meme. Once you have contempt for a prisoner, it is easy to justify abuse.
Bob in HI
Some reputed to be on the D side are parroting that worst of the worst nonsense: Wasserman-Shultz, last nite on Maddow (lokywoky did an oxdown.)
Does Room 101 ring a bell for any of these Bush criminals? Apparently some of these people think that Orwell wrote an instruction manual.
Digg is open
I watched as the hosts of the Fox morning new show mocked putting insects in the box. I’m still not sure which shocked me more, that we used it as torture or that they found it funny ?
A couple yrs ago CSI did a two part program one one of the Techs, Nick, trapped in a box with Red Ants. They sting like hell those little fire ants do. From 24 to CSI, if they see it on TV I believe we will see it used somewhere else soon…as if we haven’t had enough cartoon gov. already…
Not hardly ready to debate ethics and aesthetics, a probably unresolvable set of issues anyway, but seems to me that our big problem right now is addressing a concentration, in precisely the places where they can do the most harm with the least restraint, of folk who look at Buffalo Bill (or Jack Bauer) and see, not dramatizations of some of our nastiest paths to destruction, but suggested practices to be improved on.* That’d be a really useful walkback.
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* Think they’re all gone now? I don’t, and I don’t necessarily mean folk at the level at which we outsiders would know their names.
SnarKassandra wrote:
YES! But, shockingly, that has become normalised since 9/11.