The avatar of secrecy really did say this last night. My colleague Daphne Eviatar puts together a wish list:
[I]f there are memos showing that torture and the CIA’s other “extreme” interrogation techniques were successful, I’d like to see those, too — all of them. Including the ones that show that detainees like Abu Zubaydah gave up the most important information they had before they were waterboarded — and nothing of much use afterwards. And while we’re at it, let’s see the proof that the techniques were successful — that the information these torture victims offered actually turned out to be reliable.
But that’s not all! Naturally I’d like to see this Office of Legal Counsel memo from 2007. But any full account of the CIA’s "enhanced interrogation" program has to include CIA Inspector General John Helgerson’s 2004 internal investigation into the program. That report has never been released despite numerous congressional requests. John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, cited its nondisclosure in an op-ed arguing for the creation of an independent commission to investigate Bush-era security activities.
Several footnotes in the Office of Legal Counsel memos released last week written by Steven Bradbury in 2005 indicate what the Inspector General report found. As first reported by Marcy, Helgerson’s review determined that in practice, the CIA’s interrogators often went beyond what the Justice Department had authorized for enhanced interrogations in 2002. Medical personnel were not present at all of the enhanced interrogations, although 2002-era memoranda had anticipated they would be. The maximum-allotted number of hours for sleep deprivation was, by 2004, "260 hours or 11 days," although 2002-era memoranda had anticipated it would be much shorter than that. CIA interrogators conducted waterboarding that was more painful and severe than the training program for U.S. Special Forces that formed the basis both for the interrogation program and the 2002-era memoranda’s legal justification for it. As a result of these Inspector General-discovered discrepancies, Bradbury apparently had to re-certify that CIA interrogation practices were legal, according to the 2005-era memoranda.
Helgerson’s review made him no friends within the CIA. Former CIA Director Mike Hayden sparred with Helgerson in 2007 over whether Helgerson’s investigation of interrogation practices went beyond the inspector general’s mandate and intruded onto the portfolio of the CIA’s legal counsel. On Feb. 18, Helgerson announced his retirement from the CIA. A CIA official who declined to be quoted said that Helgerson was in the process of leaving the agency, and would be finished with his final paperwork by June. He’s no longer serving as inspector general in the interim.
By all means: disclose, disclose, disclose. Disclose how we’d know that we got valuable, accurate information from torture that saved Americans’ lives. We know that in at least one case, rendering an al-Qaeda detainee to Egypt named Ibn Shaikh al-Libi to be tortured resulted in claims about nonexistent ties between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein that administration officials like Colin Powell publicly stated as part of the case for invading Iraq. The CIA retracted those claims as unreliable a year after the invasion. Let’s see whatever memoranda exist about determining when a detainee should be interrogated by the CIA and when he should be sent to a foreign country to be tortured. No half-measures here. Dick Cheney just made a case for a robust truth commission. Thanks!
Crossposted to The Streak.
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check your comments at the windy. sorry I left the ‘r’ off your name.
No half-measures here. Dick Cheney just made a case for a robust truth commission. Thanks!
Go Cheney!
shit. I think I just sprained all my fingers.
DrillDisclose here,DrillDisclose now!EPU’d
I sure like Cheney being the face of the torture-loving GOP.
More Dick, please.
If torture worked – and it don’t(!) I would be in favor of torturing Dick Cheney. Then we may learn how he jeopardized the safety of the American public and our men and women in uniform. That he has to be “Dick” Cheney amy be torture enough. That wll have to satisfy me until the calling of a special prosecuter or he travels outside the US and is given the Grand Pinochet.
The biggest thing that bothers me (and should bother us all) about this Cheney PR “ploy” is:
It removes the focus from “torture is a crime” and instead tries to shift the public discourse to “ends justify means”.
And The Villagers just continue to lap it up!
Citizen Spencer Akerman:
No fuckin’ “truth commissions” for Christ’s sake!! A full blown special prosecutor with $50million starter capital and one guy named Fitzgerald as it’s head. And where is the fuckin’ Senate Intellegence or Judiciary committee? Why haven’t there been open hearings with the goal of makin’ referals for prosecution? And why in God’s name hasn’t there been a visit to the former Vice President at his “undosclosed location” from a squad of folks in white coats?
Hold the tea-bag, please.
-G
Citizen MadDog:
You are right on Citizen MadDog…Tancredo was on Ed Schultz tanight and the more than pathetic Schultz stammered when Tancredo set up the “what if we get hit again” scenario. That baffoon Schultz didn’t call ‘im on it… it doesn’t matter if the tactics got information or not, they were ILLEGAL for God’s sake!!
You want openness?
Give us the answer to this one: Where is Hassan Ghul?
Is he alive or dead? Because he hasn’t been heard from since Bushie announced his capture in 2004, save for a mention in one of last week’s post-2004 Torture Memos as having undergone waterboarding.
So, either he’s being held in secret captivity, or he’s dead. And the culpability for that lies right on Bush and Cheney.
Isn’t Cheney calling Obama weak putting the country in jeopardy?
STFU Dick.
PS I think Schultz is an idiot. His delivery stinks and he ain’t no deep thinker.
If I recall correctly, one of the ways used to shut up Helgerson was to investigate his office for improprieties and over-reaching, a classic Rovian reversal.
I have to agree it is is really rich that Cheney has suddenly gone all disclosure on us. Where was this mania to share during the 8 years he was in office? Oh right, forgot, he always was a liar and a hupocrite. Never mind.
Yes, Hayden jerked his chain and trashed the idea of inspector general independence.
Typical bureaucratic power-playing. Folks who rock the boat get thrown overboard.
Mikey Hayden is a bureaucrat’s bureaucrat. Tis why the Bushies loved him at the NSA and loved moving him to the CIA. Same with Mumbles Mukasey.
Caretakers who would take care of the Bushies needs.
Cheney wants to selectively release classified memos from his cronies that bragged about all the cool stuff and hot leads they got from waterboarding. He isn’t going to ask for the subsequent reports explaining that the leads were dead ends.
DICK the LIAR stated on FOX and the HANNITY CLOWN SHOW yesterday Al Qaida was ‘relatively’ unknown on September 11, 2001.
Al Qaida was ‘relatively’ unknown on September 11, 2001?
Where is the main stream media?
I guess Dick was too busy with the ENERGY policy behind his closed door!
I remember the good old days, when Snarling Dick seldom ventured forth from his dungeon. Suddenly he’s doing something like a weekly address from his new office in Foggy Bottom, where his lidless eye glares silently at CIA headquarters. We never heard so much out of him when he was in office.
And since when did a recent VP make it a regular habit to lash out at his successors? Perhaps I’m mistaken, but I don’t recall anything like it in the recent past. Al Gore was far too silent after he left office. Mondale never made any big splashes. Quayle sniped occasionally at Clinton, but he wasn’t popping up every other weekend. Cheney shows that not only is he a monster, he has no class as well.
Ain’t no half steppin’!
When I come to town.
When I come to town,
I tell you
There’s
no
need
to
shop
a-round.
Because:
It’s a different kind of world.
With a different kind of girl…
And we can also throw in the http://www.presstv.ir/detail.a…..id=3510304">“Grey Lady of Bagram”: Prisoner 640
Dr. Afia Siddiqi and her children?
Also where are the two sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that were renditioned to the United States in March of 2003 for “interrogation” [which was actually to compel KSM to “break”]? Where are they now?
Where they tortured…with insects, as was reported happening within a month of Woo’s approval of this “technique”?
And what about their mother?
BTW Mr. Spencer Ackerman…I’m sure you will recall this song by the famous agit-punk-pop group “The Au Pairs”
It’s called ARMAGH
but is sometimes called “We Don’t Torture”.
I’ve recently had to go all over Huffpost dealing with some joker who kept claiming that KSM revealed a plan to attack LA using airplanes a’ la 9/11.
I pointed out that this “revelation” was that KSM admitted to his involvement in the Bojinka Plot of 1993-94 that had been actually thwarted 10 years before by the capture of Ramzi Youssef in the Philippines…by Philippino Police! I also noted that Youssef was legally extradicted to the US and convicted in a Federal Court of his involvement in the original WTC attacks. No need for extraordinary rendition, or a Gitmo!
In fact, RY confessed all too willingly and implicated KSM as the moneyman…leading to a manhunt that ultimately led to his capture in Pakistan.
And if Bush and Cheney had bothered to pay a little attention to the planning and design of the Bojinka Plot perhaps 9/11 could have been averted! It was cited in the Gore Commission report on airline safety as a reason to improve airline security…most of the Repugs, and not a few Blue Dogs, voted against the recommendations in that report. Presumably they read it? Presumably they “KNEW” that the Bojinka Plot was NOT disclosed and broken by water boarding KSM?
Still the wing nuts use such absurd examples that are so patently bogus.
THAT is a remarkable statement.
Wasn’t it Ollie North who told the Senate in the 1980s that bin Laden was the most dangerous man in the world? Did he omit that bin Laden headed (or funded) AQ?
Wasn’t it pretty well known AQ was behind the bombing of the USS Cole? And the embassy in Kenya?
I suppose he might have meant the public hadn’t heard of AQ in 2001, despite the fact they were noted to have been behind the attacks on American forces in Somalia in (what was it) 1993 or so? Remember the movie Blackhawk down?
So, more idiociy. Sigh.