Comments on: Monster Hospital

By: wagonjak

wagonjak — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:34:41 +0000

This just jogged my memory…over a week ago it was announced that “hundreds” of damning new photos of torture were going to be released by the Obama administration…

Then……..NOTHING!

What happened, have Panetta and others in the CIA and Military leaned on O not to release these images?
Has anyone here heard any more about this? Inquiring minds want to know!

By: perris

perris — Tue, 05 May 2009 14:00:41 +0000

I want to make another very important point;

I have no fondness for the enemy, and I don’t feel like I need to take care of their mental health needs.”

what a moron this guy turns out to be, that’s the reason there are laws against torture, his ”feelings” have nothing to do with this country’s law, and this is one depraved individual

By: perris

perris — Tue, 05 May 2009 11:29:09 +0000

But in fact, says Lefever, “the ethical consideration is always to do the most good for the most people.”

that’s not the oath that’s his convenient cya and it’s exactly what Dr.s Rascher and Dachau used to justify their experiments at aucher

the consideration, “do the most good for the most people” applies when there are limited resources, it does not apply at all to people who’ll be used as guini pigs.

your analogy is a good one spence but I like mine better;

you do not karl gebthardt types of experiments on people against their will so you can save a bunch of other people

so his entire reasoning is depraved and cya but even if you consider the reasoning valid, it still fails as an excuse;

you get less information through torture, you promote unrest, you lengthen the war you strenghten the enemy, you recruit soldiers for the insurgency against your cause, you create more terrorist events

so “doing the most good for the most people” would have INSISTED they refuse overseeing torture

the man loses even under the weight of his own argument

his name can be added to the following list of “dr.s” who shared his philosophy and hopefully he will suffer a similar fate;

Karl Gebhardt - Hanged
Fritz Fischer - Life in Prison
Adolf Pokorny - Acquitted
August Hirt - Hanged
Sigmund Rascher - Hanged
Edwin Katzenellenbogen-life in prison

By: KayInMaine

KayInMaine — Tue, 05 May 2009 11:17:05 +0000

I think it’s safe to say under George Bush our government officials were told to treat the prisoners the same way Israel views the Palestinians: as animals who don’t feel pain, so kill & torture away!

By: JMorgan

JMorgan — Tue, 05 May 2009 06:21:29 +0000

hey can censure or suspend a member from membership, a blemish which might impact their obtaining an academic position. But Jessen, Mitchell and LeFever are not affiliated with academia. I think the former are not affiliated with the APA (I don’t know about LeFever).

Neither Jessen nor Mitchell are APA members, but LeFever is, and it looks like he teaches (associate professor at Old Dominion University in Virginia, 2004- ). LeFever got his Ph.D in 1989 from the University of Illinois-Chicago, which has an extremely prestigious (world class) graduate experimental psychology program. He’s also a diplomate, which takes some work to get. Looking at his background, it makes you want to scratch your head — Meaning, I wouldn’t expect those remarks coming out of the mouth of someone with this cv.

Mighty peculiar.

By: JMorgan

JMorgan — Tue, 05 May 2009 05:16:59 +0000

Before condemning the entire profession for the actions of 15, I think it’s important to know that unlike the American Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association didn’t originate as an organization for clinicians, but rather for academics.

By: whitewidow

whitewidow — Tue, 05 May 2009 04:21:05 +0000

I heard this today. Lefever actually said that putting someone in a box with insects was just like getting immersion therapy for phobias. He actually said (paraphrase) “So these things that are being called exploitation or abuse are things that are used to treat people.”

By: texasaggie

texasaggie — Tue, 05 May 2009 03:57:10 +0000

When someone comes up with this garbage that implies that it’s ok to torture because it will save American lives, why does no one ever point out that it is a non sequitur? Torture hasn’t saved any lives at all. On the contrary, it has acted as a recruiting poster for the terrorists and the insurgents who have killed thousands of people including Americans. These people need to face criminal charges of aiding and abetting.

By: JoeBuck

JoeBuck — Tue, 05 May 2009 03:44:18 +0000

Attackerman, you forgot the YouTube link.

By: MollyNYC

MollyNYC — Tue, 05 May 2009 03:44:03 +0000

This isn’t a federal law or anything, but among people with doctorates, it’s usually rather tacky to call yourself “Dr. So-and-so” outside of academic situations (socially, for example) unless you’re an MD, the idea being (as my mother would put it): Exactly who are you trying to impress with the fancy-shmancy title, Buster?

Well, Bush’s remaining supporters, apparently.

(His wife also has a PhD–in Communications, from some school so disreputable she won’t identify it [Regent?]. Naturally, she also calls herself “Dr. Lefevere.”)