"Do you know a guy named… K-I-R-I-A-K-O-U," Sen. Lindsay Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) asks Ali Soufan, referring to a former CIA official who alleged that — at an interrogation he never portrayed himself as attending — Abu Zubaydah broke after his initial waterboarding.

"Last week he retracted that," Ali Soufan responded.

Graham: "Can you say there was no good information" resulting from torture?

Emphasizing he’s speaking from his first-person expierence, "I would like you to evaluate what we got before" torturing Abu Zubaydah, Soufan replies. Graham: "One of the reason these interrogation techniques have survived fore 500 years is because they work."

Soufan: "There are a lot of people who find it easier and aren’t smart enough" to interrogate someone without torture." Graham finishes by saying Soufan isn’t the "only repository" of information on interrogation.

"I have nothing but the highest regard for this gentleman," Graham alleges.

Crossposted to The Streak.