David Obey wrote to CIA Director Leon Panetta yesterday to claim an inaccuracy in the CIA’s list of briefings it held for members of Congress on the so-called "enhanced interrogation" program. Specifically, Obey said that a House Appropriations Committee aide named Paul Juola never attended a September 19, 2006 briefing that the CIA briefing chart listed him as attending. And while a CIA official didn’t back away from the claim, he appeared to concede that the agency’s briefing account is far from an authoritative summary of what Congress knew about torture and when it knew it. Here’s a statement to me from CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano:
“While CIA’s information has Mr. Juola attending briefings on September 19, 2006 and October 11, 2007, there are different recollections of these events, which Mr. Obey’s letter describes. As the agency has pointed out more than once, its list — compiled in response to congressional requests — reflects the records it has. These are notes, memos, and recollections, not transcripts and recordings."
That would appear to dovetail with Panetta’s repeated insistence that "it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened." The agency isn’t claiming that its account is a full one. Nor is it attempting to adjudicate disputes over its briefing chart.
Kevin Drum is bewildered by the CIA’s apparently substandard notetaking skills. Zachary Roth at TPMmuckraker, though, talks to an anonymous former intelligence professional who thinks his former colleagues were "disingenuous" by trying to "make it appear that the use of such techniques was part of a ‘formal and mechanical program’." Cue the outrage.
Crossposted to The Streak.



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Is the CIA claiming that it doesn’t have actual records, or merely that it’s official records are of such dubious quality and security that it can’t submit them as evidence?
Considering the 2002-2003 notes refer to an EIT program even though the phrase and acronym EIT weren’t used at the CIA until 2006, it seems we have a contemporaneity problem.
And the CIA certainly isn’t rushing to correct the GOP’s wailing about the completeness, total accuracy, and infallibility of their notes. Which they should be doing every time disgraced former Speaker Newt Gingrich raises that issue.
Zach’s updated that claim somewhat.
The documents given to Congress are CIA summaries of the still classified meeting records. Presumably, those records don’t contain the EIT phrase or acronym. But demonstrably, the summary is a loose interpretation at best of what the actual records (which I understand Panetta is happy to let Congress review without declassification) contain.
A very safe bet. But I wonder what’s actually contained in the meeting records and how detailed — and accurate — it is. Note that Gimigliano is making a claim in the quote above about the fundamental basis for the meeting records, not just the summaries.
I just left this over at the wheels house;
don’t forget, the cia has some bones to pick with on dick cheney
that bone’s name is valery, the cia implores as far as I am concerned;
I believe this is spooke speak for;
as far as I can see that looks like spook talk for ;
“PUHLEEZE investigate!!!
get these DEPRAVED “team b” leave behinds of cheney OUT of this place
PUHLEEZE”
they can’t go on record asking for an investigation but they have some BONES to pick against cheney and again, on of those bones is named “valery”
An interesting speculation on the CIA wanting to hang Cheney for the Valerie Plame outing. Would that it were so. But I can’t help but think that they’re not that clever, and they’re just engaged in a huge game of “Cover Your Ass.” I hope you’re right- it would certainly serve Cheney et al right. We’ll see.
The Hill:
I believe the “cover their ass” sect are cheney’s “team b”, I do not believe the professionals give a rats ass about those that climbed on board his ship of pain
Obama needs to quit playing “bipartisan/post-partisan” patsy, kick Panetta in the balls and release the information that the CIA has like yesterday. Either the CIA is lying (whod’a thunk it) or multiple Congress critters are.
The GOoPers had such rousing success last time they thought they caught a Democratic Politician in a “lie” that they held an impeachment which shut down the Nation’s bidness for two years and consumed the
MediaVillagers to the exclusion of almost everything short of the Apocolypse (even then, they’d want two opinions, not facts, opinions about its relevance).Spare me from this shit again. There’s no blue dress this time, but damn-all if they won’t try and find one to unseat Pelosi if possible.
So will Gingrich issue an apology to Nancy?
Sir Humphrey: ”It is characteristic of all committee discussions and decisions that every member has a vivid recollection of them and that every member’s recollection of them differs violently from every other member’s recollection. Consequently, we accept the convention that the official decisions are those and only those which have been officially recorded in the minutes by the Officials, from which it emerges with an elegant inevitability that any decision which has been officially reached will have been officially recorded in the minutes by the Officials and any decision which is not recorded in the minutes is not been officially reached even if one or more members believe they can recollect it, so in this particular case, if the decision had been officially reached it would have been officially recorded in the minutes by the Officials. And it isn’t so it wasn’t.”
That was sarcasm, right?
LooHoo – WooHoo [ ] Kennedy is in remission and will be back? Boy, I hope that is true! By that time, if the Minn. Supremes do their job right, Franken will be sworn in, too, and maybe we can get some stuff done. (of course, there are always the blud dogs, but maybe they can be intimidated with more true libruls in the Senate).
Thanks for the good news.
they give briefings and there are no complete record of it.
Then, that is only because they DO NOT WANT a record. They have the capacity and the skills to do that.
This is a spy agency after all, and their credo is deniability.
What could be more obvious.
If the CIA wanted a record of what was said, they would have one.
Obviously, the Congress members are restricted in recording super classified briefings.
what silliness!
Still two years’ worth of contemporaneity at issue, though; if the acronym EIT wasn’t in use until 2004, why would 2002 briefing summaries show EIT as a topic?
To be precise—the they shoudl read:
The CIA gives briefings and there are no complete record of it.
Then, that is only because they DO NOT WANT a record. They have the capacity and the skills to do that.
This is a spy agency after all, and their credo is deniability.
What could be more obvious.
If the CIA wanted a record of what was said, they would have one.
Obviously, the Congress members are restricted in recording super classified briefings.
what silliness!
Because the summary (as ptbridgeport surmised) is compiled in 2009 for distribution to Congress, as CIA has been saying, rather than being a contemporaneous document. They’re retrofitting the term, in other words.
CIA, Continuously Ignorant Assholes.
No wonder these stooges missed the fall of Russia and 9/11. They can’t even keep accurate notes.
-G
Why can’t we just get rid of Pelosi for being a rotten Speaker? Who needs a manufactured scandal?
I wish Speaker Pelosi would hoist Cheney with his own Petard by demanding a special prosecutor who would investigate torture no matter where it leads.
My impression of how the CIA briefed Congress on extraordinarily contentious issues under the ueber-political CheneyBush is at odds with the CIA’s claims.
Before such a super secret agency like the CIA briefed Congress, I imagine it would have gone to great lengths to avoid any need to brief it. Having failed at that, it carefully vetted who did the briefing, what they were allowed to say, to whom and when.
Given the extra politicization of the bureaucracy under Cheney, this would all have been vetted with the White House. At these briefings, agency hands would have taken notes, to verify that its planned presentation(s) went off, er, as planned, and to record unexpected hiccups, useful in
plottingpreparing for subsequent briefings.The idea that the CIA casually recorded incomplete notes about briefing intentionally too few CongressCritters on how it tortured prisoners is as ludicrous as Roger Moore playing 007.
George Tenet, Clinton appointee
The trial balloon…was it filled with helium?
George Tenet, left in place by the Bush Regime to gin up a war with Iraq. I kind of think of George Tenet as being from the same country club as Tony Blair…