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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/progressive-ilan-goldenberg-heads-to-the-pentagon/#comment-10098</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 17:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The last chance for a two state solution was 15 years ago. Maybe Goldenberg would like to explain how a fragmented, eviscerated, and economically unviable Palestinian state would function.  Maybe he would like to explain how any peace will come as long as an obstructionist and fascist like Netanyahu is in charge in Israel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last chance for a two state solution was 15 years ago. Maybe Goldenberg would like to explain how a fragmented, eviscerated, and economically unviable Palestinian state would function.  Maybe he would like to explain how any peace will come as long as an obstructionist and fascist like Netanyahu is in charge in Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Word up from authentic frontiersperson sporkovat!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word up from authentic frontiersperson sporkovat!</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/progressive-ilan-goldenberg-heads-to-the-pentagon/#comment-10073</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;perhaps Progressive Ilan Goldenberg, or, if he is not available,  Spencer Ackerman could explain why the “cries of the tortured men” in the song quoted above, which should need no further referencing to such an ardent fan of Punk Rock, why these cries sound so much sweeter coming from the black prison at Bagram AFB, which Obama’s Justice (sic) Dept is trying to claim as beyond the reach of the Constitution and habeas corpus than they did coming from Pinochet’s dungeons?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;not the kind of thing Progressives deign to respond to, I know. such courage in the convictions!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps Progressive Ilan Goldenberg, or, if he is not available,  Spencer Ackerman could explain why the “cries of the tortured men” in the song quoted above, which should need no further referencing to such an ardent fan of Punk Rock, why these cries sound so much sweeter coming from the black prison at Bagram AFB, which Obama’s Justice (sic) Dept is trying to claim as beyond the reach of the Constitution and habeas corpus than they did coming from Pinochet’s dungeons?</p>
<p>not the kind of thing Progressives deign to respond to, I know. such courage in the convictions!</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and what is this doing under a banner that references punk rock?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what a sick joke! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh! Mama, Mama look there!&lt;br /&gt;
Your children are playing in that street again&lt;br /&gt;
Don’t you know what happened down there?&lt;br /&gt;
A youth of fourteen got shot down there&lt;br /&gt;
The Kokane guns of Jamdown Town&lt;br /&gt;
The killing clowns, the blood money men&lt;br /&gt;
Are shooting those Washington bullets again &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the Clash. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too bad Progressive Ilan Goldenberg cannot have a debate about his cosmetic policy adjustments with the late Joe Strummer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and what is this doing under a banner that references punk rock?</p>
<p>what a sick joke! </p>
<blockquote><p>Oh! Mama, Mama look there!<br />
Your children are playing in that street again<br />
Don’t you know what happened down there?<br />
A youth of fourteen got shot down there<br />
The Kokane guns of Jamdown Town<br />
The killing clowns, the blood money men<br />
Are shooting those Washington bullets again </p>
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<p>the Clash. </p>
<p>Too bad Progressive Ilan Goldenberg cannot have a debate about his cosmetic policy adjustments with the late Joe Strummer.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/progressive-ilan-goldenberg-heads-to-the-pentagon/#comment-10070</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeah, I read that piece - perhaps other firepups should venture over there?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the author is rather scathing on the substantive and stylistic differences that elite consensus allows in Washington.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like, maybe this new Liberal, Progressive policy wonk will suggest to the military in his area of operations to lay off the use of the white phosphorous as a chemical weapon, because it is bad for PR, and just use HE instead, the Obama way!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“The kids called out to me that I was burning but the explosion was so strong that for a moment I was deaf and couldn’t hear anything,” her father, Aziz Rahman, told Reuters. “And then my wife screamed ‘the kids are burning’ and she was also burning,” he added, his face clouding over at the memory.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The flames that consumed his family were fed by a chemical called white phosphorous, which U.S. medical staff at Bagram said they found on Razia’s face and neck. It bursts into fierce fire on contact with the air and can stick to and even penetrate flesh as it burns….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Colonel Gregory Julian, a spokesman for the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, General David McKiernan, confirmed that Western forces in the country use the chemical.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“In the case of white phosphorus it is used on the battlefield in certain applications … It is used as an incendiary to destroy bunkers and enemy equipment; it’s used for illumination”…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Razia and her family are the first known civilian casualties of its use in Afghanistan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/1761-burn-after-reading-intel-dump-muddies-dirty-war-waters.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.chris-floyd.com/com.....aters.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;really, if Obama can suspend the use of this terrible weapon against the Afghani civilians being ‘focussed’ on, and instead focus conventional high explosive on them, that’ll be Change we can believe in!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;get to it, Progressives, show us what you stand for!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, I read that piece &#8211; perhaps other firepups should venture over there?</p>
<p>the author is rather scathing on the substantive and stylistic differences that elite consensus allows in Washington.</p>
<p>Like, maybe this new Liberal, Progressive policy wonk will suggest to the military in his area of operations to lay off the use of the white phosphorous as a chemical weapon, because it is bad for PR, and just use HE instead, the Obama way!</p>
<blockquote><p>“The kids called out to me that I was burning but the explosion was so strong that for a moment I was deaf and couldn’t hear anything,” her father, Aziz Rahman, told Reuters. “And then my wife screamed ‘the kids are burning’ and she was also burning,” he added, his face clouding over at the memory.</p>
<p>The flames that consumed his family were fed by a chemical called white phosphorous, which U.S. medical staff at Bagram said they found on Razia’s face and neck. It bursts into fierce fire on contact with the air and can stick to and even penetrate flesh as it burns….</p>
<p>Colonel Gregory Julian, a spokesman for the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, General David McKiernan, confirmed that Western forces in the country use the chemical.</p>
<p>“In the case of white phosphorus it is used on the battlefield in certain applications … It is used as an incendiary to destroy bunkers and enemy equipment; it’s used for illumination”…</p>
<p>Razia and her family are the first known civilian casualties of its use in Afghanistan.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/1761-burn-after-reading-intel-dump-muddies-dirty-war-waters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chris-floyd.com/com&#8230;..aters.html</a></p>
<p>really, if Obama can suspend the use of this terrible weapon against the Afghani civilians being ‘focussed’ on, and instead focus conventional high explosive on them, that’ll be Change we can believe in!</p>
<p>get to it, Progressives, show us what you stand for!</p>
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		<title>By: WarOnWarOff</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/progressive-ilan-goldenberg-heads-to-the-pentagon/#comment-10069</link>
		<dc:creator>WarOnWarOff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh they’re just saying, “Come Over and Help Us!” (in between bombings of course).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The inspirational phrase “city on a hill” was coined by John Winthrop in 1630, borrowing from the Gospels, and outlining the glorious future of a new nation “ordained by God.” One year earlier his Massachusetts Bay Colony created its Great Seal. It depicted an Indian with a scroll coming out of his mouth. On that scroll are the words “Come over and help us.” The British colonists were thus pictured as benevolent humanists, responding to the pleas of the miserable natives to be rescued from their bitter pagan fate. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Great Seal is, in fact, a graphic representation of “the idea of America,” from its birth. It should be exhumed from the depths of the psyche and displayed on the walls of every classroom. It should certainly appear in the background of all of the Kim Il-Sung-style worship of that savage murderer and torturer Ronald Reagan, who blissfully described himself as the leader of a “shining city on the hill,” while orchestrating some of the more ghastly crimes of his years in office, notoriously in Central America but elsewhere as well.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175073/noam_chomsky_unexceptional_americans&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos....._americans&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh they’re just saying, “Come Over and Help Us!” (in between bombings of course).</p>
<blockquote><p>The inspirational phrase “city on a hill” was coined by John Winthrop in 1630, borrowing from the Gospels, and outlining the glorious future of a new nation “ordained by God.” One year earlier his Massachusetts Bay Colony created its Great Seal. It depicted an Indian with a scroll coming out of his mouth. On that scroll are the words “Come over and help us.” The British colonists were thus pictured as benevolent humanists, responding to the pleas of the miserable natives to be rescued from their bitter pagan fate. </p>
<p>The Great Seal is, in fact, a graphic representation of “the idea of America,” from its birth. It should be exhumed from the depths of the psyche and displayed on the walls of every classroom. It should certainly appear in the background of all of the Kim Il-Sung-style worship of that savage murderer and torturer Ronald Reagan, who blissfully described himself as the leader of a “shining city on the hill,” while orchestrating some of the more ghastly crimes of his years in office, notoriously in Central America but elsewhere as well.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175073/noam_chomsky_unexceptional_americans" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos&#8230;.._americans</a></p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is relatively universal agreement among these groups that we need to begin withdrawing from Iraq, focus more on Afghanistan, opt for direct diplomacy with Iran, reengage with the world, improve our image, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;too bad those 95 children aren’t alive to enjoy the benefits of this New Consensus in Washington, they were &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; focussed on!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-afghan-deaths-pictures,0,5189377.photogallery&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....otogallery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;maybe the few survivors will be pleased at the stylistic enhancements of the Democrats National Security policies, but you know, from underneath the F/A-18, it might just look exactly the same.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is relatively universal agreement among these groups that we need to begin withdrawing from Iraq, focus more on Afghanistan, opt for direct diplomacy with Iran, reengage with the world, improve our image, </p>
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<p>too bad those 95 children aren’t alive to enjoy the benefits of this New Consensus in Washington, they were <em>already</em> focussed on!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-afghan-deaths-pictures,0,5189377.photogallery" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/na&#8230;..otogallery</a></p>
<p>maybe the few survivors will be pleased at the stylistic enhancements of the Democrats National Security policies, but you know, from underneath the F/A-18, it might just look exactly the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Congrats to your friend, Spencer!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to your friend, Spencer!</p>
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		<title>By: WarOnWarOff</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarOnWarOff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;withdrawing from Iraq, focus more on Afghanistan&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does “focus” mean the dark McChrystal method…?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090525/hayden2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090525/hayden2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wouldn’t seem to be a “left of center” position to me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>withdrawing from Iraq, focus more on Afghanistan</i></p>
<p>Does “focus” mean the dark McChrystal method…?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090525/hayden2" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090525/hayden2</a></p>
<p>Wouldn’t seem to be a “left of center” position to me.</p>
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		<title>By: jo6pac</title>
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		<dc:creator>jo6pac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;focus more on Afghanistan&lt;br /&gt;
How about we just get out of all of the wars?&lt;br /&gt;
jo6pac&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>focus more on Afghanistan<br />
How about we just get out of all of the wars?<br />
jo6pac</p>
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