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	<title>Comments on: WaPo: US pressure to freeze settlements &#8220;complicated&#8221; by Bush &#8220;secret agreement&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Dalybean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalybean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 03:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know.  One has to keep plugging away, however.  I think urging a boycott may even be illegal.  I just meant that those consequences naturally flowed from a determination that a state is practicing apartheid.  And I think the issue of Israel’s apartheid practices belongs in any discussion of settlements, expansion and refusal to reach a two-state solution.  Because once a person seriously thinks about it, they realize it’s true.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know.  One has to keep plugging away, however.  I think urging a boycott may even be illegal.  I just meant that those consequences naturally flowed from a determination that a state is practicing apartheid.  And I think the issue of Israel’s apartheid practices belongs in any discussion of settlements, expansion and refusal to reach a two-state solution.  Because once a person seriously thinks about it, they realize it’s true.</p>
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		<title>By: Sand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“…you have to be talking about boycotts, divestment and sanctions…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absolutely I agree…  However, you start to even try and start a discussion on Israel being an apartheid state in some of the local grassroot political progressive groups.  — There is ALWAYS, I repeat,  always at least one person who is a pro-Israel enough and is AIPAC or synagogue programmed to respond to calls of Israel being an apartheid state, or in fact any criticism of Israel to be anti-Israel, anti-Democratic Party policy, as well as anti-Semitic — and then discussion usually comes to a grinding halt. — oh yeah and this one: “sounds like the Protocols of Zion”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are still, unfortunately, many progressives — e.g. those who don’t get their info from the internet etc. that just don’t know enough about what is going on in Israel to to answer back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, I’m still waiting for Peace Now to reply to my numerous emails on why they won’t consider “…talking about boycotts, divestment and sanctions…”  pigs might fly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s alot of duplicity out there even when you think people are on your side of human rights — what do they call it: PEI.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…you have to be talking about boycotts, divestment and sanctions…”</p>
<p>Absolutely I agree…  However, you start to even try and start a discussion on Israel being an apartheid state in some of the local grassroot political progressive groups.  — There is ALWAYS, I repeat,  always at least one person who is a pro-Israel enough and is AIPAC or synagogue programmed to respond to calls of Israel being an apartheid state, or in fact any criticism of Israel to be anti-Israel, anti-Democratic Party policy, as well as anti-Semitic — and then discussion usually comes to a grinding halt. — oh yeah and this one: “sounds like the Protocols of Zion”</p>
<p>There are still, unfortunately, many progressives — e.g. those who don’t get their info from the internet etc. that just don’t know enough about what is going on in Israel to to answer back.</p>
<p>Also, I’m still waiting for Peace Now to reply to my numerous emails on why they won’t consider “…talking about boycotts, divestment and sanctions…”  pigs might fly.</p>
<p>There’s alot of duplicity out there even when you think people are on your side of human rights — what do they call it: PEI.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalybean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalybean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, if more people start referring to Israel as an apartheid state, I would assume there would be serious discussion of the issue.  I mean, at this point, you have to be talking about boycotts, divestment and sanctions.  That’s how bad it is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if more people start referring to Israel as an apartheid state, I would assume there would be serious discussion of the issue.  I mean, at this point, you have to be talking about boycotts, divestment and sanctions.  That’s how bad it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Sand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wish I had your optimism, I truly do — but I don’t.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had your optimism, I truly do — but I don’t.</p>
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		<title>By: nadezhda</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadezhda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This two-faced, good cop vs. bad cop crap is getting really old.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, we haven’t had a real good cop vs bad cop routine in decades. Makes me nostalgic for Baker and Scowcroft. And under Bush43 it was totally bad cop/bad cop (or from Israel’s perspective, good cop/no cop). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I actually find the change somewhat refreshing. Is the change hypocritical? Yeah. But hypocritical in a half-way better sort of fashion. I celebrate the occasional glimmers of reality when ever they emerge in our political discourse, especially on the topic of Israel-Palestine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This two-faced, good cop vs. bad cop crap is getting really old.</p>
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<p>Actually, we haven’t had a real good cop vs bad cop routine in decades. Makes me nostalgic for Baker and Scowcroft. And under Bush43 it was totally bad cop/bad cop (or from Israel’s perspective, good cop/no cop). </p>
<p>I actually find the change somewhat refreshing. Is the change hypocritical? Yeah. But hypocritical in a half-way better sort of fashion. I celebrate the occasional glimmers of reality when ever they emerge in our political discourse, especially on the topic of Israel-Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: Sand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The media here is v. different than in Canada and Europe.  And, John Stewart can only go so far.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, I think it’s interesting that Newt [the ‘has-been’] who was given center-stage at the AIPAC conference is now getting center-stage in our  MSM e.g. today on MTP - again pushing for the resignation of Pelosi… I bet AIPAC would love that!~ Putting in Hoyer who would be an easy push-over for an attack on Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Argh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media here is v. different than in Canada and Europe.  And, John Stewart can only go so far.</p>
<p>Also, I think it’s interesting that Newt [the ‘has-been’] who was given center-stage at the AIPAC conference is now getting center-stage in our  MSM e.g. today on MTP &#8211; again pushing for the resignation of Pelosi… I bet AIPAC would love that!~ Putting in Hoyer who would be an easy push-over for an attack on Iran.</p>
<p>Argh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalybean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalybean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The rest of the world is already referring to Israel as the Apartheid State of Israel.  Tony Karon, who writes for Time and other publications, says that Israel is worse than South Africa ever was.  Tony Karon ought to know since he is a Jew from Apartheid South Africa.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090322/OPINION/714980252/1001&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thenational.ae/arti.....80252/1001&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest of the world is already referring to Israel as the Apartheid State of Israel.  Tony Karon, who writes for Time and other publications, says that Israel is worse than South Africa ever was.  Tony Karon ought to know since he is a Jew from Apartheid South Africa.  <a href="http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090322/OPINION/714980252/1001" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenational.ae/arti&#8230;..80252/1001</a></p>
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		<title>By: whyknot</title>
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		<dc:creator>whyknot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 22:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The state of Michigan should obviously tell Canada that MI has the ‘right’ to natural growth, and if residents’ kids want to build a house next door to their folks, well then Canada will just have to move their borders inward.  Otherwise the US government will send bulldozers and knock down the homes that are in the way of the growth of Michigan.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You don’t need secret letters to see how insane this is.  America must confront Zionism both here and in Israel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state of Michigan should obviously tell Canada that MI has the ‘right’ to natural growth, and if residents’ kids want to build a house next door to their folks, well then Canada will just have to move their borders inward.  Otherwise the US government will send bulldozers and knock down the homes that are in the way of the growth of Michigan.  </p>
<p>You don’t need secret letters to see how insane this is.  America must confront Zionism both here and in Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Sand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 21:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“…is going to be the best we’ll get…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m reading it differently is all — Wexler has provided nothing but meaningless talk…  will the end result ’still’ be the ’status quo’?  I realize you might be trying to provide a positive take on all this — and that maybe you are trying to show that Obama might have a chance with our Israel-centric occupied Congress — but I’m seeing absolutely no positive ‘over-all’ change, nor plan.  It’s too late for piece-meal chatter and Congress and the Israeli’s know it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wexler when needed may provide the cover for this PR ‘one-step forward, but from his reliable track-record has always provided the necessary Israeli ‘Backup Crowd’ for the ‘two-steps back’ blockage approach e.g. Recent ploy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“…Berman says Congress won’t deal with Hamas-Fatah. But will Obama?…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/berman-says-congress-wont-deal-with-hamasfatah-but-will-obama-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Philip Wess Report - Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This two-faced, good cop vs. bad cop crap is getting really old.  We need action, maybe even some meaningful debate [e.g on Israel’s nukes], not just one Congressman’s meager words.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…is going to be the best we’ll get…”</p>
<p>I’m reading it differently is all — Wexler has provided nothing but meaningless talk…  will the end result ’still’ be the ’status quo’?  I realize you might be trying to provide a positive take on all this — and that maybe you are trying to show that Obama might have a chance with our Israel-centric occupied Congress — but I’m seeing absolutely no positive ‘over-all’ change, nor plan.  It’s too late for piece-meal chatter and Congress and the Israeli’s know it.</p>
<p>Wexler when needed may provide the cover for this PR ‘one-step forward, but from his reliable track-record has always provided the necessary Israeli ‘Backup Crowd’ for the ‘two-steps back’ blockage approach e.g. Recent ploy:</p>
<p>“…Berman says Congress won’t deal with Hamas-Fatah. But will Obama?…”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/berman-says-congress-wont-deal-with-hamasfatah-but-will-obama-.html" rel="nofollow">Philip Wess Report &#8211; Link</a></p>
<p>This two-faced, good cop vs. bad cop crap is getting really old.  We need action, maybe even some meaningful debate [e.g on Israel’s nukes], not just one Congressman’s meager words.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkseye36</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawkseye36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama, with State Dept.help, can begin to cut back on the billions we give, a bit more at a time each year.  The agreement with Mr. Mission Accomplished is meaningless.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama, with State Dept.help, can begin to cut back on the billions we give, a bit more at a time each year.  The agreement with Mr. Mission Accomplished is meaningless.</p>
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