You remember Dick Cheney’s defense of torture from two weeks ago, I’m sure. This was my favorite excerpt:
Another term out there that slipped into the discussion is the notion that American interrogation practices were a “recruitment tool” for the enemy. On this theory, by the tough questioning of killers, we have supposedly fallen short of our own values. This recruitment-tool theory has become something of a mantra lately, including from the President himself. And after a familiar fashion, it excuses the violent and blames America for the evil that others do. It’s another version of that same old refrain from the Left, “We brought it on ourselves."
Well, tell it to Gen. Raymond Odierno, commander of U.S. troops in Iraq. As referenced in today’s Washington Post story about U.S.-Pakistan relations, Odierno, along with his Central Command boss, Gen. David Petraeus, submitted a recently-declassified statement (warning: PDF) to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in support of keeping 21 photos depicting detainee abuse hidden. Among the reasons he supports that designation? The role of images from Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib in recruiting terrorists. Here’s Odierno blaming America first:
The graphic revelations of detainee abuse motivated some terrorists including foreign fighters from Syria, Yemen and Saudi Arabia to join the jihad. Reporting also indicates that some organizations may have staged and disseminated photographs of Arab women being abused by men in U.S. uniforms. Extremist groups intentionally misrepresented the depicted abuse as evidence of the widespread rape of female Iraqi detainees by U.S. soldiers as a further motivation for recruitment and to support the exhortation for attacks against Coalition Forces (CF).
And here’s Petraeus, who must be one of those mantra-chanting conspiracy theorists Cheney derided.
An influx of foreign fighters from outside Afghanistan and new recruits from within Afghan could materialize, as the new photos serve as potent recruiting material to attract new members to join the insurgency.
These are statements made by Odierno and Petraeus on May 27 under penalty of perjury. Whatever you think about the release of the torture photos — and it’s worth reading Odierno and Petraeus’ statements for stark appraisals of the security situations in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan — there can be little doubt that detainee abuse is a strategic asset for al-Qaeda and affiliated insurgent and terrorist organizations. Cheney can be proud of his role in doing bin Laden’s work for him.
Crossposted to The Streak.
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I can’t imagine the images depict anything worse than the stories being told around the campfire in Bora Bora.
Tora Bora?
But, but but…..
Tora Tora Tora
Snora Bora…
zzzzzzzzz!
Cheney’s defense is the last act, the final last grand attempt of an ancient, evil alchemist to turn bullshit into gold, or at least, a last grand effort to tell people bullshit is gold, and make them believe it.
Why is it that the ACLU wants the pictures to be public? If it is to prosecute war crimes, why wouldn’t we wait for the trials to begin?
I can see why they need to see the photos, but does the rest of the world? Right NOW?
Release the damn photos.. It’s the generals along with Cheney (no matter what they are saying from one day to the next) who are trying cover their own crimes or failings.
Bring them all home now.
He’s scared to death. He knows the law’s gonna catch up with him.
Hi RonD!
The people have a right and a need to know. They are all our photos.
The only protection should be of/ for the victims in the photos. Photoshop out identifying marks, etc.
Hi Loo Hoo! Congratulations on your new-found freedom!
watertiger is upstairs at the Mothership!
Late Night: Words Certainly Can Kill.
I’ve wondered about this also. As someone who wishes to see this tragedy drawn down with the minimum of violence to anyone, I’m not convinced releasing them right now is the best thing to do.
manys, Who gives a shit about Tora Bora? I’m a lot more worried about Jeddah and Cairo, to tell you the truth.
RonD !
I’m afraid that I agree with the two Generals … the photos will confirm all the stories and then some.
Hi Petrocelli!
Did photos of flag-draped coffins returning to the US assist in insurgent recruitment in Iraq and Afghanistan?
No, obviously, such photos were suppressed under Bush as part of the domestic propaganda effort to keep Americans oblivious to the horrible human costs of war.
Same with these images of torture, Obama is fighting to keep them suppressed so Americans will continue to support his continuations of Bush/Cheney policies.
The whole ‘protect the troops’ he-said/she-said issue is a sideshow.
Wars of aggression are deemed the ’supreme international crime’ because they contain within them the seeds of all other such horrors.
When the United States helped craft the Nuremberg standards, everyone knew that.
I just have so many mixed feelings. I know that the photos should be released, but I don’t want to see them. I don’t want to admit that Americans could participate in this horrible activity.
According to McClatchey, Maliki went ‘ballistic’ over the release of the photos, and said that the Iraqi response to them would almost certainly cause the referendum with respect to date of American departure to be screwed up, forcing at least in law if not in practice, immediately withdrawal. Obama really caught between a rock and a hard place there. Presumably, once the referendum is over, the pictures can be released via normal court procedures.
that is a cover story and a crappy one at that.
as if the puppet has the Emperor over a barrel, bending him to do his bidding. Maliki was installed by and serves at the pleasure of the USA.
Military planners built massive permanent bases all over Iraq – they know the plan is to stay, neither referenda nor SOF to the contrary notwithstanding.
Maliki going ballistic has about as much influence on foreign policy decision making in D.C. as a barrage of faxes from the Netroots: none.
How many divisions does a referendum have, again?
Yes, Tora Bora.