There’s so much to say about President Obama’s historic speech in Cairo today. But for now, I want to focus on the aspects of it that conservatives insisted wouldn’t exist. Sean Hannity, for one, blasted the exercise yesterday as an "apology tour," and while the facts of the speech won’t get in the way of his bleating, one of the most striking aspects of the speech is how it doesn’t shy away from saying that America will continue to pursue actions in its interest that some Muslims may dislike. Another is how it deals frank, non-euphemistic messages to champions of beloved Muslim causes.
Obama on Iraq, one of the two biggest apology-opportunities:
America has a dual responsibility: to help Iraq forge a better future – and to leave Iraq to Iraqis.
Obama on systematic U.S. torture, the other one:
I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year.
Not a word of apology. On Afghanistan, he said "despite the costs involved, America’s commitment will not weaken. Indeed, none of us should tolerate these extremists." He looked squarely at the conspiracy theories about 9/11 in the Muslim world and called them the garbage that they are. "Al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale… These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with."
But by far the bravest things Obama said were about Israel and Palestine. He called the U.S.’s ties with Israel "unbreakable" and called the antisemitism sadly on display in the Muslim world not just disgusting but counterproductive: "Threatening Israel with destruction — or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews — is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve." This came complete with Holocaust references. Hint, hint: Iran.
Then came his exhortations to the Palestinians, which could not possibly have been what they expected:
Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America’s founding. This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from Eastern Europe to Indonesia. It’s a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered.
Not only does Obama’s eloquent defense of Israel prevent Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from claiming Obama is cavalier about Israeli security in order to continue his intransigence on Israel’s road-map commitments, but he bluntly told Hamas, "To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel’s right to exist."
The speech effectively disarms the peace-process rejectionists. And to think: he did it all without a word of apology.



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If the Palestinians had decided on a non-violent course of making their case to the world, Israel–a democracy–would have been shamed into settling the issue 30 years ago. There has been too much pressure on the part of Arab and other Islamic governments in the region since 1948 to eliminate Israel by violence and that’s led to a continual series of outrages on both sides. At this point, I don’t believe the problem can ever be solved because all sides are invested in violence. I’d like to be proven wrong. I don’t think I will be.
I keep thinking of the words to that song from My Fair Lady:
Words, words, words,
I’m so sick of words,
…
I thought the speech was brilliant !
Obama laid out an agenda for a Middle East peace deal and told everyone that his administration would be fair and honest to all sides, something that the Europeans will be relieved to hear.
I have never seen someone disarm his critics and uplift those who share his views, quite the way he does.
I can guess where you learned your history.
Great post, Spencer.
Yes, but haven’t you learned yet that Obama does the opposite to what he sez?
No
Echoing BT … great post Spencer, particularly the observation that Obama did not once apologize but still got his message through to his audience.
Then this should provide another learning experience.
Hiya eCAHN !
I believe that he will see through a Middle East peace deal as well as universal health care and a major move towards Green energy.
This just in: Sean Hannity’s head exploded on the Good Morning America show as Obama quoted the Quran:
Be conscious of God and always speak the truth.
Given the ginormous size of his head, the show had to break for a long series of commercials while the stage crew responded to an urgent cry from the director:
“Wet mop, Stage Two. Stat!”
Good to see you after a long time … how do you read Hillary’s comments about expanding settlements on Palentinian territory ?
Surprises happen. Look at Northern Ireland. And South Africa.
The fact is that minorities on both sides are invested in violence. When they are exposed as the minorities that they are, movement toward non-violent solutions can occur.
The fact is people get tired of nonproductive violence. They get angered out eventually. So long as solutions do not occur, you have spasmodic violence. But it is spasms, not continuous violence.
Yes, it was a great speech and he did not shy away from difficult topics. Bravo President!!
Wingnuttia will have a field day splicing all his pro-Islam lines to confirm to their rabid fans that BHO is an IslamoFascistTerrorist.
Outstanding!
So? They would have done that no matter what. Obama is best to ignore Hannity and the like.
Great post, Spencer. I too wrote a blog post about some of the words used by President Obama in his Cairo speech. My post focused on his words about democracy.
Coincidentally, I was thinking about this this morning with regard to the American Civil War. Technically it ended slavery at the cost of untold lives, but arguably the non-violence of MLK a century later accomplished as much with very little loss-of-life (in comparison to a full-blown war).
I like that Obama pointed out that it’s wrong AND doesn’t succeed. I think it’s important to remember both the morality of it and the practicality — just as with torture.
It is going to be difficult for Obama to make any progress in the Middle East when he is battling ideologues not only in the Middle East, but also here at home.
Check this clip out of Fox News, kind of missing the point on dealing with radical Muslims.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=1562
thanks Spencer most excellent.
reading where I can find arab or muslim voices, not just getting favorable reviews, it’s being received as an Ich Bin Ein Muslim moment. good on ‘im
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Spencer Ackerman and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“He looked squarely at the conspiracy theories about 9/11 in the Muslim world and called them the garbage that they are.”
What the fuck??!! Are you taking the postition that all questions of the involvement of agents or agencies of the United States in either the tacit or explicit approval of the 9/11 attacks are “garbage”? Be careful Brother Spencer, because if the truth about the presence and extent of US involvment in the attacks, passive or active, does NOT come out then the structure of decision making that has led to the killing of one President and America’s initiating two of the most costly and horrible wars of empire and profit will remain intact…and you and those like you will stand before history as complicit in the protection and advancement of that decidedly undemocratic structure of power.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE WILL BE NO PEACE WITHOUT JUSTICE AND THERE WILL BE NO JUSTICE WITHOUT THE TRUTH!!
Well, I am always prepared to learn.
I thought it was a brilliant speech. I didn’t hear it as just words, but as a necessary and thoughtful predicate for improving the situation in this troubled area of the world.
Now, I take your point that on some matters, Obama has done less than he promised or I might have hoped for, but on the whole, given the alternatives, I am pleased with him to this point.
I read the speech, and to quote the great line from ‘Oklahoma’, he ‘went about as fur as he could go.’
He knows he’s got his work cut out for him. He’s got a tough lady at State to cover his back, and he will need the cover. The speech will almost certainly trigger a retaliation by El-Quaeda. Nothing like a terror attack on the US to put peace off the rails. The anti-peace arab faction in Palestine played that fiddle to perfection. Let’s hope our defences are up this time.
It was an amazing performance. The only politician in my lifetime who could work a crowd that well was JFK.
a couple (one each historical and current) of links to help you get started:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mubarak_Awad
http://palsolidarity.org/2009/04/6314
Citizen oldgold:
Bingo…a measured and generous response and right fuckin’ on!!!
Although slavery was the root cause of the Civil War, the proximate cause was Secession. Absent Secession and it is possible that the slave-owners could have been bought out a generation or two later, without violence, as happened elsewhere in slave societies. It’s an open question to which we will never know the answer, as history has closed that door forever.
Isn’t he great, folks? Let’s give him a big hand!
You are right about the real cause of the civil war, but it would have taken alot more than money to free the slaves. It always does, just ask moses, spartucus and Abraham lincoln. Making lots of money off of the backs of slaves is the reason they were there in the first place.
Obama on systematic U.S. torture:
Is there no end to this man’s bullshit?
Well said, Spencer. Thanks. I guess if I choose to believe he means what he says, I may ultimately be found to have been naive. I’d prefer that outcome to finding that my rancid cynicism had helped to undermine a true effort to achieve worthy ideals.
o/t
Breaking:
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Citizen Knut:
There was not nor has there ever been an institutionalized system of chattle slavery legitimized by national law and contract anywhere as extensive or as powerful as slavery in the United States and that’s where your argument and that of the current slavery apologists beaks down…there is no example in history to direct our thinking that the institution of chattle slavery in the United States could have been “bought out a generation or two later without violence.” Indeed, the Northern banks and centers of economic power in industrialized America were not about to pay another dime to uphold a bankrupt system that threatened the very existance of capitalism as it was developing.
maybe not. But I like him anyway.
What Norske said.
Spencer, the skepticism about the 9/11 event does not reside only in the Muslim world. I won’t go as far as Norske calling you complicit, but you really need to open your mind.
Citizen kyeo:
…??? Welcome to the swamp Citizen kyeo, is that all ya got?
Watch this – HILARIOUS http://bit.ly/EyC81 “the moment that epitomizes everything that is wrong with Dick Cheney, his arrogance, the media, their acquiescence, and the delightfully witty relationship between the two.”
I think I said we’d never know the answer to that question. People whom I deeply respect on this field (I’m an economic historian) are on both sides of the issue. The person I most respect leans to your side. I’m personally pessimistic that a buy-out could have been worked out, given American racial attitudes at the time. Just wanted to point out that it isn’t always the case that you need to apply violence to get rid of an evil institution.
Citizen Knut:
Your intellectual honesty is refreshing but I am a bit surprised at your advancement of an a priori statement of belief “that it isn’t always the case that you need to apply violence to get rid of an evil institution.” I would like an example to support that statement…from anywhere in history back to the Romans.
Obama, like other leaders, cannot venture far from the Disney version of the abolition of slavery.
Economics, Secession, War… It is a fact of the Revolutionary War that the British offered freedom to slaves who would join their side. It was a ruse for the most part.
Many of these earlier slaves were second and third generation ‘Americans’.
Many of them were half-white. Masters had many children by their slaves. This uncomfortable fact is an important element of slavery that has been glossed over. Slavery should have ended after the Revolution. Abolition became a necessary political component – G. Washington needed the slaves to help fight the British. Without them, we would have lost the Revolutionary War. There were promises of freedom to the slaves, then. Those promises were broken.
I knew that comment would trigger some debate, and since we can’t go back in time and try something different to see how that would have worked out there’s no way to irrefutably solve this debate.
I will, however point out the lives lost and destroyed in the actual war, as well as the decades of terror following it.
It would seem to me there might have been a better way — but that is just conjecture since there is no way to prove it.
And while MLK’s approach wasn’t without it’s casualties (MLK himself being one) I think the temporal ripple effects of his approach provided a better positive to negative results ratio than the violent war did. I’m a big fan of the active non-violence, and believe it could be successfully employed even in as seemingly intractable situation as Israel/Palestine.
I am so impressed by this man. Maybe it’s just the contrast with his predecessor, but what a pleasure to have a President who commands respect and likability. Yes, I want my Presidents to be “A” students.
I’m not expecting Obama to solve all of our problems this year, this term, or even during a second term. What I do expect is an honest effort to change the direction of this country, and to a lesser extent, the world. As long as I can contribute to my family, my community, my country, and the world without the fear of losing my home, or getting blowed up, then I can live with Obama’s failings and mistakes.
I refuse to be a cynic about Obama’s motivations. The last eight years were enough for me.
Thanks, Spencer, great post.
those of us of a certain age believe americans need to see violence to get rid of an evil institution
seeing Bull Connor’s dogs, the murder of Civil Rights workers in MS, and esp the murder of 4 little girls in their Birmingham church did more to move non southerners towards equality than anything that went before
Hear, hear!
I think the “given the alternatives” part gets lost on many people here.
Secy of State Clinton was unrepentant re: her war vote, and as I have offered previously, Dennis Kucinich (for whom I have great respect and admiration) is never gonna be elected president.
Also, raise your hand if you think McCain would be doing a better job.
Citizen Sufilizard2:
The fact that even the most bloody civil war in modern history couldn’t remove the mentality and political ideology of slavery and the slavocracy until another extended period of terror and murder culminating but not ending with the slaying of MLK is an example of what I was so unartfully attemptimng to argue.
The battle over slavery was a conflict between two economic systems and remember that the victorious Northern capitalists almost immediately appropriated the political ideology of the Firebreathers to first colonize the post slavery South and then use that region to circumscribe the advance of free and organized labor…the South is being used in this way to this very day.
Citizen cbl2:
Exactly…couldn’t be better said.
That’s a cogent analysis.
Heck, Norske, the most recent instance was the election of 2008. They’re still around, and we may not recover from the evil they accomplished, but the Bush administration is no longer in power. Others examples might be: segregation, Jim Crow, apartheid, imprisonment for poverty, slavery in Great Britain, British imperialism in India, Joseph McCarthy’s Red Scare, and thankfully, the Soviet Union.
Citizen Crosstimbers:
You are certainly NOT arguing that “segregation, Jim Crow, apartheid, imprisonment for poverty, slavery in Great Britan (the Jamaicans might give you some history lessons), British Imperialism in India” were ended without violence!! And the use of Joe McCarthy’s tactics and the “Red Scare” continue today and have since 1952 resulted in much violence against individuals AND groups and the disenfranchisement of thousands.
Ya gotta do better’n that Citizen.
OT headline from Google finance:
Now would this be the same Goldman that told us to expect $200-300 oil last year when it was on its way to $147/barrel last summer?
Why must we bear this economy wrecking bullshit again this year?
Crude oil has no supply and demand reason for being over $40/barrel.
None.
Oil reserves are at 19 year highs, and US demand is back to 1986 levels.
Stop the commodities speculation now!
Thanx Brother Hackworth…first time anyone around here has characterized any of my arguments as “cogent”. I’m gunna save that one.
I’m increasingly of the mind that there are no “alternatives” anywhere. Obama is the best President we could possibly have at this time. It’s breathtaking what he’s accomplished so far, both by his words AND his actions.
The massive shifts that have happened in America and across the globe on all kinds of issues are amazing, and I can’t think of anyone anywhere that could have done this so masterfully.
I think we should eliminate the stock market, nationalize banks, have single-payer healthcare, reduce military spending over 50%, create a Dept. of Peace and all sorts of other things, yet here’s no “given the alternatives” in my thinking about President Barack Hussein Obama. He’s fantastic and has moved us closer to these ideals than I could’ve ever imagined in such a short period of time.
Citizen bonkers:
What you SAY, Citizen…the truth shall set us all free!!
There are some many things wrong with your statements that I don’t know where to begin… Your mentality is exactly what are enemies are looking for. If this country was the way “you see fit” the muslim extremists would put a gun to your head and your families head and pull the trigger. We would still have enemies and they would destroy us. It is amazing how naive you are. Obama is a thug. He will go down as one of the worst presidents in our history. If you think things were bad when Jimmy Carter was in office just wait and see what this Marxist is going to do to this country.
While this article sadly emphasizes the pro-Israel take to Obama speech rather than the anti-settlements pro-Palestinian side, I suggest readers look further into Netanyahu’s revealing claims that secret deals were made with the US to allow all the settlements to continue.
Mr. Hoyer, Mr. Reid – OH really?? Because if that’s true, and I for one intend to discover how corrupt, how deceitful our American Congress was on it’s knees in favor of AIPAC’s campaign dollars over America’s best interests, the Democrats will have nailed the last nail in their Party’s coffin and lose miserably in 2010.
We true Lefties despise weak sycophants, after years of watching their spines collapse, and just won’t take it any more
The 405 members who just signed in blood AIPACS pre-Cairo warning speech that he better not get to chummy with Muslims, is a distinct sign that Netanyahu is dead right.
I didn’t say that there was no violence on either side, but violence was not “applied” by the side of right to end the evil intitutions. Violence in those instatnces was applied by the side of the evil institutions. Those institutions were ended without application of vioence TO them. You seem to be emphatically stating that Ghandi’s and MLK’s methods are invalid and violence is ulitmately the only means of ending injustice.
What we need is more socialism. Much, much more. You know, things like the Fire Department, VA benefits, Social Security for our elderly…socialist stuff like that.
Oh, and you realize we already spend the same each year on military than the rest of the ENTIRE world COMBINED, right? We spend 6 times the amount the 2nd place country does, and that’s China. So if America only spent, oh I dunno, 3 times more than anyone else each year on military, does that mean rogue bands of “muslim extremists” are gonna kill my family?
Also, since we already were spending 6 times more than any other country when the World Trade Center was destroyed, does that mean if only we would’ve spent 7, 8, or more times than any other country in the entire world on military, would that have stopped those planes?
http://www.globalissues.org/ar…..y-spending
What’s the magic number, since apparently 6 times more than any other country in the entire world doesn’t seem adequate to stop the “muslim extremists” from putting a gun to my head?
You made such a convincing argument that I’ll wait now and follow your lead.
Liz Cheney accused Obama of “moral relativism”, yeah the same Liz Cheney who defends torture, as long as it’s the U.S. doing it. She also accused Obama of attacking the people who protected us while he was on foreign soil.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Hey frederic! Either go ‘way or start making sense.
I felt the speech was remarkable. As I wrote earlier today in this post, I think President Obama took head-on some of the most challenging foreign policy issues of our day. Now I’d like to see some action on repairing the immense damage done by the previous administration–repair that can only come from accountability (i.e. trials and prosecutions). If we fail to take the hard, but necessary, steps toward that end, Obama’s (our) words make a mockery out of us.
WTF. The “peace process rejectionists” are Likud, and he stood foursquare behind them. If this speech had been made by Bush, you’d be fiercely critical.
Hamas should stop resisting Israel? WTF? You didn’t notice the IDF murdering the population of Gaza? You are not aware that Israel is militarily occupying the small portion of their former country that they are to be permitted to keep? I can only imagine how delighted people who celebrate their own country’s birth in the violent overthrow of its government would be to have a foreign power invade, destroy their homes and livelihoods and expel them into small cantons in one small part of their former territory. You wouldn’t resist? You wouldn’t be willing to fight for your right to exist? Hamas observed a truce with Israel that Israel broke. At every stage of the peace process, Israel has refused to agree to just terms, has reneged on every agreement it actually has come to and has attempted to stall and prevent a reasonable process. Do you people even have a clue what is going on? Obama blames the victim and you lead the cheers. It’s unreal.
The worst thing about what passes for the “left” in the States is that even when presented by a corporatist, centre-right “progressive”, you close your eyes and breathe in the bullshit instead of questioning it. What’s now really upsetting for those who want justice for the Palestinians is that this victim blaming will be acceptable not just on the right but also on the left.
What passes for the left isn’t dumb enough to think that the Middle East is going to be instantly transformed because the US had an election.
Eliza dear, would you please get me a cup of tea. All these words are just too much. Heh.
Words can become an avalanche of oppression and distraction. Too many words and not enough time to think.
Yes, sadly, I have identified with those lyrics.
Take the torture photos for example, to know the truth doesn’t mean there is a need to inflict those photos on people who were NOT seeking the truth. Leaders must be brave and demand the Truth, so they can make wise decisions. The public isn’t on that trip most of the time.
Take Israelis for example, they know the truth and put fingers in their ears while yelling “la la la la” so they can pretend not to know it. They suffered tremendously in WWII and need even more time to recover. But, the world can’t let them become instigators of hatred and violence just because they’re crying about persecution. The Palestinians deserve the truth of their existence to be known too.
Speaking of the need for people to see violence, to know the truth of something horrible, the health care system we admire here in America kills more people by accident and bad practices than cancer & lung cancer combined. That alone is a great reason people should be shown Sicko and for there to be tremendous bi-partisan support for health care reform.
The citizen who stays informed is one thing, but the citizen who is in their own little world is something else. Leaders speak of a public debate as a way of reaching everyone. But, when they refuse to have the debate or refuse to release documents and intentionally hide the Truth, then Democracy suffers.
President Obama doesn’t shy away from these realities and even if he isn’t perfect we can all be proud to once again have a leader we can admire and policies which place us on the path to better days.
When Jimmy Carter was president the worst things we faced were the Soviet Union (and all that embodied) and the Bush-Saudi partnership meddling in oil prices & politics.
Whatever is going to happen in the M.E. it won’t be *just* because of an election. There has been a lot of water under the bridge to get things to where they stand now.
That doesn’t mean this isn’t the right time
You are right. He was specific about Guantanamo, but did not mention Bahgram. Where are they taking the new detainees? What is to prevent him from transferring the leftover Grantanamo detainees to Baghram? And how does prolonged detention fit in with those plans?
It has been proposed to ship the Guantanamo detainees to Afghanistan to avoid the rights that they have been granted by the federal courts so far. There they could be detained ‘preventively’ forever.
I was a little amazed at Secretary Clinton’s lecture to the Chinese today about accounting for their dissidents. I am surprised the Chinese did not come back with a similar comment about black holes, extraordinary renditions, detainee treatment, etc.
Obama made a comment about making sure that Muslims in the US can practice ‘zakat’ or charitible giving which is one of the five pillars of Islam. Only this week, the executives of Holy Land Charities were sentenced to 65 years in prison (on a retrial from a hung jury) for supporting the charities of Hamas which was keeping the Gazas afloat. I wonder what the Gazas would say about the dissonance there. I cannot but feel the Holy Land Charities trials were political and any attempts to support the Palestinians is to be cut off under some pretext of supporting terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H…..evelopment
http://www.alarabiya.net/artic…..74054.html
Anyone who thinks that the charities of Hamas are now or ever were keeping Gaza afloat isn’t just wrong, but very seriously wrong.
Nobody’s keeping them afloat now except for a few scraps flung in now and then by the UN.
I j wanted you to understand that the people of Gaza (800,000 of them) have been getting their food from the UN, with, IIRC, the US paying half the tab and Britain paying 25%.
Until better days for these folks, it won’t be Hamas feeding them unless Hamas goes back to claiming to feed them after stealing the food from the UN warehouses.
Here is a more accurate description of Hamas’ actions with regard to the UN food in Gaza and what Hamas does for the people of Gaza. http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..34_pf.html
The issues around UN aid in Gaza are confusing and some characterizations of Hamas’ aid are reminiscent of the neocon pimping of the Iraq Oil for Food scandal in order to discredit selected targets. In Israel’s case, this story that Hamas diverted 400 packets of food over a political dispute type is one of the rationales used to further tighten the embargoes on all aid to Gaza after the recent war. Incidentally, Israel uses a 1,100 calorie count per head to calculate how much food they will let through the Gaza embargo. We used a 1,100 calorie diet as one of the enhanced interrogation techniques to manipulate the detainee population at Guantanamo.
Is it any wonder that people in this country want to contribute to charities that will help the people of Gaza? I am so pleased that Obama said he would be remedying this issue.
Your link doesn’t much work and neither does the idea that Hamas is anything other than what it is. People in this country should be all for helping the Palestinians free themselves from both Israel and Hamas.
It takes a special kind of stones to be able to pull this off with a straight face, after the number of sleeping women and children we’ve killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan with drone Hellfires (and, via Israeli proxy, in Lebanon and Gaza):
It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children
and it takes kind of a head full of stones to fail to see the difference that intentionally targeting children makes.