Comments on: Measure For Measure http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/ Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:35:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: macaquerman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10733 macaquerman Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:15:53 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10733 <p>and it takes kind of a head full of stones to fail to see the difference that intentionally targeting children makes.</p> and it takes kind of a head full of stones to fail to see the difference that intentionally targeting children makes.

]]> By: Nell http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10730 Nell Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:01:50 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10730 <p>It takes a special kind of stones to be able to pull this off with a straight face, after the number of sleeping women and children we’ve killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan with drone Hellfires (and, via Israeli proxy, in Lebanon and Gaza):</p> <p><i>It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children</i></p> It takes a special kind of stones to be able to pull this off with a straight face, after the number of sleeping women and children we’ve killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan with drone Hellfires (and, via Israeli proxy, in Lebanon and Gaza):

It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children

]]> By: macaquerman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10712 macaquerman Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:59:18 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10712 <p>Your link doesn’t much work and neither does the idea that Hamas is anything other than what it is. People in this country should be all for helping the Palestinians free themselves from both Israel and Hamas.</p> Your link doesn’t much work and neither does the idea that Hamas is anything other than what it is. People in this country should be all for helping the Palestinians free themselves from both Israel and Hamas.

]]> By: Dalybean http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10708 Dalybean Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:53:09 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10708 <p>Here is a more accurate description of Hamas’ actions with regard to the UN food in Gaza and what Hamas does for the people of Gaza. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/07/AR2009020702034_pf.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/</a>…..34_pf.html </p> <p>The issues around UN aid in Gaza are confusing and some characterizations of Hamas’ aid are reminiscent of the neocon pimping of the Iraq Oil for Food scandal in order to discredit selected targets. In Israel’s case, this story that Hamas diverted 400 packets of food over a political dispute type is one of the rationales used to further tighten the embargoes on all aid to Gaza after the recent war. Incidentally, Israel uses a 1,100 calorie count per head to calculate how much food they will let through the Gaza embargo. We used a 1,100 calorie diet as one of the enhanced interrogation techniques to manipulate the detainee population at Guantanamo. </p> <p>Is it any wonder that people in this country want to contribute to charities that will help the people of Gaza? I am so pleased that Obama said he would be remedying this issue.</p> Here is a more accurate description of Hamas’ actions with regard to the UN food in Gaza and what Hamas does for the people of Gaza. http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..34_pf.html

The issues around UN aid in Gaza are confusing and some characterizations of Hamas’ aid are reminiscent of the neocon pimping of the Iraq Oil for Food scandal in order to discredit selected targets. In Israel’s case, this story that Hamas diverted 400 packets of food over a political dispute type is one of the rationales used to further tighten the embargoes on all aid to Gaza after the recent war. Incidentally, Israel uses a 1,100 calorie count per head to calculate how much food they will let through the Gaza embargo. We used a 1,100 calorie diet as one of the enhanced interrogation techniques to manipulate the detainee population at Guantanamo.

Is it any wonder that people in this country want to contribute to charities that will help the people of Gaza? I am so pleased that Obama said he would be remedying this issue.

]]> By: macaquerman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10705 macaquerman Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:29:32 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10705 <p>I j wanted you to understand that the people of Gaza (800,000 of them) have been getting their food from the UN, with, IIRC, the US paying half the tab and Britain paying 25%.<br /> Until better days for these folks, it won’t be Hamas feeding them unless Hamas goes back to claiming to feed them after stealing the food from the UN warehouses.</p> I j wanted you to understand that the people of Gaza (800,000 of them) have been getting their food from the UN, with, IIRC, the US paying half the tab and Britain paying 25%.
Until better days for these folks, it won’t be Hamas feeding them unless Hamas goes back to claiming to feed them after stealing the food from the UN warehouses.

]]> By: esseff44 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10703 esseff44 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:27:24 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10703 <p>Nobody’s keeping them afloat now except for a few scraps flung in now and then by the UN.</p> Nobody’s keeping them afloat now except for a few scraps flung in now and then by the UN.

]]> By: macaquerman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10702 macaquerman Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:24:13 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10702 <p>Anyone who thinks that the charities of Hamas are now or ever were keeping Gaza afloat isn’t just wrong, but very seriously wrong.</p> Anyone who thinks that the charities of Hamas are now or ever were keeping Gaza afloat isn’t just wrong, but very seriously wrong.

]]> By: esseff44 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10701 esseff44 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:12:46 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10701 <p>It has been proposed to ship the Guantanamo detainees to Afghanistan to avoid the rights that they have been granted by the federal courts so far. There they could be detained ‘preventively’ forever.</p> <p>I was a little amazed at Secretary Clinton’s lecture to the Chinese today about accounting for their dissidents. I am surprised the Chinese did not come back with a similar comment about black holes, extraordinary renditions, detainee treatment, etc. </p> <p>Obama made a comment about making sure that Muslims in the US can practice ‘zakat’ or charitible giving which is one of the five pillars of Islam. Only this week, the executives of Holy Land Charities were sentenced to 65 years in prison (on a retrial from a hung jury) for supporting the charities of Hamas which was keeping the Gazas afloat. I wonder what the Gazas would say about the dissonance there. I cannot but feel the Holy Land Charities trials were political and any attempts to support the Palestinians is to be cut off under some pretext of supporting terrorists. </p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relief_and_Development" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.....evelopment</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/05/27/74054.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.alarabiya.net/artic.....74054.html</a></p> It has been proposed to ship the Guantanamo detainees to Afghanistan to avoid the rights that they have been granted by the federal courts so far. There they could be detained ‘preventively’ forever.

I was a little amazed at Secretary Clinton’s lecture to the Chinese today about accounting for their dissidents. I am surprised the Chinese did not come back with a similar comment about black holes, extraordinary renditions, detainee treatment, etc.

Obama made a comment about making sure that Muslims in the US can practice ‘zakat’ or charitible giving which is one of the five pillars of Islam. Only this week, the executives of Holy Land Charities were sentenced to 65 years in prison (on a retrial from a hung jury) for supporting the charities of Hamas which was keeping the Gazas afloat. I wonder what the Gazas would say about the dissonance there. I cannot but feel the Holy Land Charities trials were political and any attempts to support the Palestinians is to be cut off under some pretext of supporting terrorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H…..evelopment

http://www.alarabiya.net/artic…..74054.html

]]> By: esseff44 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10700 esseff44 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:44:31 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10700 <p>You are right. He was specific about Guantanamo, but did not mention Bahgram. Where are they taking the new detainees? What is to prevent him from transferring the leftover Grantanamo detainees to Baghram? And how does prolonged detention fit in with those plans?</p> You are right. He was specific about Guantanamo, but did not mention Bahgram. Where are they taking the new detainees? What is to prevent him from transferring the leftover Grantanamo detainees to Baghram? And how does prolonged detention fit in with those plans?

]]> By: MarkH http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10698 MarkH Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:31:16 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/04/measure-for-measure/#comment-10698 <p>Whatever is going to happen in the M.E. it won’t be *just* because of an election. There has been a lot of water under the bridge to get things to where they stand now.</p> <p>That doesn’t mean this isn’t the right time</p> Whatever is going to happen in the M.E. it won’t be *just* because of an election. There has been a lot of water under the bridge to get things to where they stand now.

That doesn’t mean this isn’t the right time

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