Comments on: Iran: Don’t Lead, Don’t Follow, And Instead Get Out Of The Way http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:14:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: 4jkb4ia http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10862 4jkb4ia Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:11:03 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10862 <p>(Beckett implodes)</p> (Beckett implodes)

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10856 4jkb4ia Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:30:47 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10856 <p>(4-1 Sox. Baldelli has HR)</p> (4-1 Sox. Baldelli has HR)

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10855 4jkb4ia Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:26:22 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10855 <p>Very good idea that Ban Ki-moon should make a statement. </p> <p>It is very frustrating that Barack Obama can have Morgan Tsvangirai in his office and make a statement, but he can say nothing publicly about this for reasons that are none of his doing. These reasons may even predate George W. Bush.</p> Very good idea that Ban Ki-moon should make a statement.

It is very frustrating that Barack Obama can have Morgan Tsvangirai in his office and make a statement, but he can say nothing publicly about this for reasons that are none of his doing. These reasons may even predate George W. Bush.

]]> By: wesgpc http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10820 wesgpc Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:06:08 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10820 <p>Lordy! Now I read at TPM that the message to Moussavi saying he had won was a ruse, and massive preemptive government repression started even before election started. Rsfanjani resigns both his positions.</p> <p>So, looks like this was an election so fraudulant, it stinks to high heaven, and a crisis for Iran. Need to find ways to support forces of democracy and liberalization there (on an unofficial citizen level). I guess, look around for petitions to sign.</p> <p><a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/06/gary_sick_takes_stock.php?ref=fpblg" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....?ref=fpblg</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/06/rafsanjani.php?ref=fpblg" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....?ref=fpblg</a></p> Lordy! Now I read at TPM that the message to Moussavi saying he had won was a ruse, and massive preemptive government repression started even before election started. Rsfanjani resigns both his positions.

So, looks like this was an election so fraudulant, it stinks to high heaven, and a crisis for Iran. Need to find ways to support forces of democracy and liberalization there (on an unofficial citizen level). I guess, look around for petitions to sign.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..?ref=fpblg

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..?ref=fpblg

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10818 Phoenix Woman Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:11:28 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10818 <p>I suspect that the Obama administration is all too aware that the imprimatur of the US has been the kiss of death for Iranian moderates in the past — particularly during the Bush regime.</p> I suspect that the Obama administration is all too aware that the imprimatur of the US has been the kiss of death for Iranian moderates in the past — particularly during the Bush regime.

]]> By: macaquerman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10817 macaquerman Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:50:16 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10817 <p>dated June 9. from roozonline</p> <p><a href="http://www.roozonline.com/english/news/newsitem/article/2009/june/09//mesbah-yazdis-decree-to-rig-votes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.roozonline.com/engl.....votes.html</a></p> dated June 9. from roozonline

http://www.roozonline.com/engl…..votes.html

]]> By: RieszFischer http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10816 RieszFischer Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:21:27 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10816 <p>Digby has an explanation for this, and I recommend her post. She says it’s the nature of authoritarian regimes to basically say “Yeah I stole the election– what are you gonna do about it?”.</p> Digby has an explanation for this, and I recommend her post. She says it’s the nature of authoritarian regimes to basically say “Yeah I stole the election– what are you gonna do about it?”.

]]> By: peony http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10815 peony Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:19:44 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10815 <p>Tehran Street Photos</p> <p>dailykos.com/story/2009/6/13/742141/<br /> -Tehran-Street-Photos”</p> Tehran Street Photos

dailykos.com/story/2009/6/13/742141/
-Tehran-Street-Photos”

]]> By: wesgpc http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10814 wesgpc Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:52:10 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10814 <p>I’ve also read reports someplace on the internet that the vote was being counted honestly at the beginning, and the Iranian election commission sent out several reports that Moussavi was ahead. I think Moussavi received addtional reports saying that he would win. That is consistent with the Iranian election commission calling BS as reported in the post. And explains why Moussavi was so quick to call BS. Might also explain why people ready to go to the streets so quickly.</p> <p>I can imagine what would have happened here if all of a sudden the Pacific Coast and Colorado went McCain, and a close vote in Ohio suddenly reversed course in 2008. I wonder if something like that happened in Iran.</p> I’ve also read reports someplace on the internet that the vote was being counted honestly at the beginning, and the Iranian election commission sent out several reports that Moussavi was ahead. I think Moussavi received addtional reports saying that he would win. That is consistent with the Iranian election commission calling BS as reported in the post. And explains why Moussavi was so quick to call BS. Might also explain why people ready to go to the streets so quickly.

I can imagine what would have happened here if all of a sudden the Pacific Coast and Colorado went McCain, and a close vote in Ohio suddenly reversed course in 2008. I wonder if something like that happened in Iran.

]]> By: wesgpc http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10813 wesgpc Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:40:58 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/iran-dont-lead-dont-follow-and-instead-get-out-of-the-way/#comment-10813 <p>Well, anytime the rulers of government violate their own election laws to settle a vote in their facor, I would think that a reasonable person would conclude something is wrong. That is the stongest evidence in my mind right now.</p> Well, anytime the rulers of government violate their own election laws to settle a vote in their facor, I would think that a reasonable person would conclude something is wrong. That is the stongest evidence in my mind right now.

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