Comments on: Biden on Iran: ‘Some Real Doubt’ About The Electoral Outcome

By: FredJ

FredJ — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:43:14 +0000

The conflict started way before the settlements. And even a total ethnic cleansing of the settlements would not put an end to the wars.

But a peace treaty might adjust the settlements and end the wars. Or it might lead to a bigger war, later.

By: macaquerman

macaquerman — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:43:54 +0000

Go with the tricyclics.

By: Neanderthal7

Neanderthal7 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:02:29 +0000

Timr:
However, IMO, the fact that the rulers did in fact steal the election [~~And you know this…How?~~]

will have far ranging repercussions, the young might(will) get beaten down this time, however they are now painfully aware that they are in a very strict police state, religious police state but still. The anger among the young will not dissipate, it will go underground and quite possibly merge with remnants of the group who attempted to kill off the govt and the religious leaders-the real heads of govt- all those years ago and go back to an underground war against the govt. Time will tell, but if they(govt) are able to crush the current antigovt forces-not yet an insurrection but close-then the govt will have to become an open police state. There has been a sham democracy in place for a few years now, but it is now out in the open. Only those candidaes approved by the religious leaders will be able to run and the results will be known far in advance of the election. One advantage that the antigovt forces have is that the current police state is very corrupt and the religious police(minders of the faith) are fanatics. Interesting times ahead.

There was a bombing that took out almost the entire elected govt-at the time there was more than a little speculation that the revolution had done the bombing to get rid of a meddlesome govt that was sticking its nose into places it shouldn’t. There were some who insisted it was the work of the CIA, which it was not. [~~And you know this…How?~~]

Tim: We know how the CIA operates and we know how they are behind the student unrest.

The only way Biden or Hillary Clinton could know the results of the Iranian elections is if they had agents at every polling place in Iran. They didn’t. Amadinijad won and all you are doing is trying to convince everyone they stole the elections like in Ukraine or in Serbia or in Mexico.

The US Black Ops guys can target the young and fill their heads up with any kind of crap about stolen elections but it doesn’t wash. You can broadcast over Iranian television and radio and use the internet to fill their heads up with junk but there are lots of Iranians that wont forget that it was Ronnie Regun and the CIA that waged war on Iran and sicked Sadam Hussein on them. You killed millions of their people. They won’t forget that you siezed all of their assets and they wont forget the army you set up in Iraq for black operations against the Iranian nation. This is why the reform guy lost. The iranian people won’t forget how rotten you were.

The US expects that threats from Israel to nuke it or threats from the US to pose sanctions everytime she tries to start her nuclear electric plant at Bushehr is going to stop her…its just raw evidence of America’s bully like tactics. And, it is evidence of America’s duplicity and criminality.

Our newspapers pretend that the opposition is a Reform Party candidate. This is US propoganda because they have already reformed themselves from you. The People of Iran know that you planted discontent into the students. They know that you routinely use the young in many countries by lying to them and telling them that the winner “robbed” the election. They know that you are behind the riots and trouble. But they will get over it. They know that you lie about everything. Iran has already told you that there are precondition? So, how come you haven’t given them back their stolen property and stopped threatening them with war?

Here in America, 3rd parties couldn’t get airtime, were not included in the debates, and couldn’t even pay for Ads in newspapers. They had no voice whatsoever. If Biden or Clinton is concerned about Iranian citizens why did she or nobody in this country speak up for third parties. Why did we get GW Bush or AMBUSH? Their is nothing fair about our elections but these people claim they are concerned about someone else’s election process.

As for those bombings in Iran in the early 80’s, they killed off several governments, not just one time. Did you forget those other times? They found out that Bani Sadr was like Chalabi…a puppet.

By: Endymion

Endymion — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:53:32 +0000

Teddy, that’s like saying Britain wasn’t an issue when we elected Washington. Sure, they’ve got all sorts of domestic concerns, but people, even foreign people, are capable of being worried about multiple divergent issues simultaneously. But what American politicians aren’t being coy about these results?

By: Teddy Partridge

Teddy Partridge — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:40:42 +0000

The election in Iran isn’t about America. The sooner American politicians learn that anything they say about the situation will likely be used against American interests, the better. Just STFU.

Oh, and David Gregory, this means you too!

By: BMcGarth

BMcGarth — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:20:00 +0000

Kudos to you Spencer for having to sit through Gregory’s MTP.But what a laugher,Americans talking about FAIR elections.

By: timr

timr — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:52:45 +0000

Well, no surprise here. Going all the way back to the time of the Iran/Iraq war and its aftermath, there have been groups who did not favor the revolution. There was a bombing that took out almost the entire elected govt-at the time there was more than a little speculation that the revolution had done the bombing to get rid of a meddlesome govt that was sticking its nose into places it shouldn’t. There were some who insisted it was the work of the CIA, which it was not. This is going back quite a few years but..nope, can’t remember if they ever “caught” the bombers. Again going back in memory only I can’t even remember if it was during or after the war.
The extreme hatred that Iran felt for Iraq and the chance to get rid of Saddam without any fingerprints of Iran showing up, was, I believe, the reason that Iran got the Ahmed Chalabi-an Iranian agent of influence- group going in with its stories-WMD, bioterror weapons, nukes, missiles etc.- tailored for bush and the neocons. Who jumped at the bait like starving fish. bush swallowed the bait and was then played. All the stories-with others in the loose knit group confirming-pushed bush in the direction that Iran wanted.(I believe one of the greatest intel ops ever)
Who is the winner in the US invasion of Iraq? Iran, because they got rid of Saddam and got a Shia govt in Iraq led by close friends of Iran.
Which leads me to say that the religious leaders, fearing the young people would vote out the revolution-the majority of people in Iran now being under 30(due to so many dying in the war with Iraq)-because the youth do not have the same religious fervor that the older generation that kicked out the american puppet shah and installed the religious leadership had. They saw the polls, they understood that they could not declare any more candidates simply inelgible to hold office, like they did in the last election. So this time they rather ham handedly just made Ahmadinejad the winner. ooops. The young voters are now raising hell, so the revolutionary guard and the religious police will just go out and break heads to put the voters back in their place. However, IMO, the fact that the rulers did in fact steal the election will have far ranging repercussions, the young might(will) get beaten down this time, however they are now painfully aware that they are in a very strict police state, religious police state but still. The anger among the young will not dissipate, it will go underground and quite possibly merge with remnants of the group who attempted to kill off the govt and the religious leaders-the real heads of govt- all those years ago and go back to an underground war against the govt. Time will tell, but if they(govt) are able to crush the current antigovt forces-not yet an insurrection but close-then the govt will have to become an open police state. There has been a sham democracy in place for a few years now, but it is now out in the open. Only those candidaes approved by the religious leaders will be able to run and the results will be known far in advance of the election. One advantage that the antigovt forces have is that the current police state is very corrupt and the religious police(minders of the faith) are fanatics. Interesting times ahead.

By: STTPinOhio

STTPinOhio — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:25:14 +0000

Thanks!

By: Prairie Sunshine

Prairie Sunshine — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:35:56 +0000

Thanks, Spencer for watching…I stopped long ago. Disco Dave would do better as fill-in for Billy Bush. No insult meant to Billy Bush.

By: thnelson

thnelson — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:35:45 +0000

Does anyone remember Iran’s reaction when Bush and the Supremes stole the ‘00 election from Al Gore? I don’t.
The only thing that can make the situation worse in Iran now is the United States’ publicly taking a position on the validity of the election. The Iranians should be given the chance to have to deal with that on their own without self-righteous hypocrisy. And my guess is that there will be significant if not profound (perhaps initially muted) reactions to the shenanigans.