There’s a lot of great stuff in Jane Mayer’s profile of Leon Panetta in the new New Yorker — for instance, Panetta bitchslapping Dick Cheney: "[I]t’s almost as if he’s wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point." — and since I’m still reading it, I’ll not say much about it yet. But I notice that a Joe Scarborough line from last year that was intended to insult me and my friends is now used by ostensible national-security professionals to insult Glenn Greenwald and other bloggers who opposed John Brennan’s appointment as CIA director:
A friend of Brennan’s from his C.I.A. days complained to me, “After a few Cheeto-eating people in the basement working in their underwear who write blogs voiced objections to Brennan, the Obama Administration pulled his name at the first sign of smoke, and then ruled out a whole class of people: anyone who had been at the agency during the past ten years couldn’t pass the blogger test.”
This is dumb and juvenile, for so many reasons. First, Brennan isn’t CIA director, but he’s an extremely powerful White House aide with direct access to President Obama. So how’d Brennan really do on the "blogger test"? Second, I’ve had my differences with Glenn on the question of the broader significance of Brennan’s record, and I suppose that on the merits my concerns in this post put me kind of close to saying something close to what this person says. But disrespecting Glenn, who’s a constitutional lawyer, author of multiple books and consistent architect of some of the carefullest close-reads this side of Marcy Wheeler, is a surefire way to make an argument look stupid. Glenn no more sits in his basement and blogs without knowledge of the outside world than John Brennan sat at CIA headquarters and ordered dudes tortured. Third, I know a lot of bloggers, and I know absolutely no bloggers who eat Cheetos. I’ve field tested the stuff and it’s gross.
I have expressed doubts about whether a necessary effort to end torture will end up scotching the careers of qualified and competent national-security professionals who had, at most, marginal involvement in the previous administration’s "enhanced interrogation program." And I certainly understand sticking up for your friends. But there’s something really ugly about belittling those who want to ensure that the U.S. truly doesn’t torture people any more. Extremism in opposition to torture is no vice.



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We could do a survey and look for orange keyboards.
The so-called liberal media seems pretty well stuck in the “then they ridicule you” stage as it concerns bloggers. They see the light coming at them in the tunnel, and they just don’t know it’s a fast-moving locomotive.
What’s in YOUR juicebox?
Spencer, whenever you link to a discussion of yourself at some other blog, I’m always astounded by the comments there. Seriously, no one ever demands to see you shirtless here…are we doing something wrong?
One classic defense mechanism, when your sense of inflated power feels threatened, is devaluation. Panetta and the Washington elite feel more secure and powerful contemplating their opponents as fools eating junk food in mommy and daddy’s basement. They don’t feel threatened.
But you don’t have to be a psychologist to know that unsolicited derogation of this sort only reveals their underlying unease.
Ha Ha. The rabble in the street are such a pain. Let them eat cake. Ha Ha. Or Cheetos. Ha Ha. We are safe in out massive seats of power.
And so they may be. And so they hope, because the a shadow of a doubt has crept in, and it’s a bad sign when they disregard it to themselves.
The Blogger Stereotype:
Writes in the basement (why would this be bad?). Alternatively, writes from PARENT’S basement (Ahhh, see? Can’t hold a job.)
Writes in underwear. Again, I’m not sure what bearing this might have on anything, but at some point it’s likely true for most of us.
Eats Cheetos. People actually eat a wide variety of stuff, and for every cheeto – eating blogger there are certainly raisin- , peanut- and beef jerky-eating bloggers.
The purpose of these derogatory statements seems to be to indicate in double secret code that people who write in blogs have no credibility. But they never seem to offer any objective critique of the accuracy or quality of the work – just meaningless mean-spirited insults about what they eat, what they wear or where they write. Pretty weak sauce, and ultimately revealingly pathetic…
mikey
The critique of bloggers (cheeto eating or otherwise) is that bloggers steal their material. They do not acknowlege that they steal material from bloggers.
Well, that is a critique of bloggers. The core criticism is that bloggers are of a lower class, and therefore have less legitimacy in all of their thoughts and actions. After accounting for blowback, this is the second most effective ad hominem in American public discourse(the first being accusations of class treason).
I don’t know any bloggers who steal anything from JoeScar. He’s not any kind of journalist, he’s a television personality who retired from the House of Representatives (elected as part of Newt’s Dream Team after defending an abortion assassin) under very suspicious circumstances. In a sane culture, Scarborough would be shunned. In our culture, he’s a teevee host on the liberal channel.
Sorry for the edit, but wanted it to reflect the reality. (As unreal as reality is)
Sounds like projection to me.
The careers of the “qualified and competent national-security professionals” were screwed up by those who determined that torture should be the official policy of The United States of America. Not by bloggers, not by reporters, but by policy makers.
Dick Cheney, David Addington, and John Yoo built the box that these professionals found themselves in. Cheney, Addington, and Yoo provided the cover for making torture just another tool in the handbook for the care and feeding of prisoners. Cheney, Addington, and Yoo tore up the constitution’s restrictions on the government when it comes to cruel and unusual treatment of those in the government’s control.
How the national security professionals reacted to Cheney, Addington, and Yoo is their concern. Rock, meet Hard Place. But bloggers did not put them in that position. Bloggers did not force them to acquiesce to those in authority or relinquish their positions. John Yoo did that. David Addington did that. And most assuredly, Dick Cheney did that.
And with regard to your comments about Cheetos . . . Amen!
As much as I detest Cheney, I don’t think it is fair to suggest he WANTS an attack on U.S. soil. What he is doing is playing the probability game in a crass and calculating manner for political ends. It is highly likely there will be another attack inside the U.S. eventually. For a number of reasons, particularly if Obama serves two terms there is a fair chance that it will happen during his watch. If it does it will not mean that Cheney was prescient or that it was Obama’s fault but that is the spin Republicans will put on it. America’s pain will be the GOP’s gain, or so they think.
I once read a right-winger claiming that all bloggers ate Domino’s Pizza and drank Mountain Dew. I told friends “Incorrect. Lefty bloggers eat trail mix and drink green tea.” One of my female co-workers objected “But remember Rich, women like chocolate!” So I said “Okay, lefty male bloggers like trail mix, lefty female bloggers like chocolate, but we both still favor green tea.”
I’m into making my own juice this year as the fruits come into season. Any suggestions?
How long have the corporate journalism majors been around? Long enough to be bought and paid for by their masters.
Seems like bloggers could easily be compared to the first newspaper reporters. You remember. The reporters that investigated stories. Actually thought about what they were doing and didn’t consider themselves part of the inner circle in D.C. Back when the United States was a democracy.
Disagree. There is nothing more that would warm the cockles of Cheney’s heart than an attack on the U.S. It’s what he needs in the most desperate of ways to justify what he did.
I quit eating Domino’s twenty years ago when I heard they contribute to anti-choice groups. Never cared for Mountain Dew. Like trail mix and/or chocolate but don’t eat either, so I’m not certain where that places me in the political spectrum. Then again, I’m just a commenter, not a blogger so perhaps the formula is not applicable.
I agree with you.
Kewl.
I don’t think I can accept any premise which suggests that Cheney has a heart. Not certain what alternate organ they might have attached his pacemaker to…
Dark chocolate. Preferably Dove.
Fixed it for you.
Thought of the “Cheney heart problem” as I was commenting. Not sure what the resolution is. *g*
Try Godiva.
Thanks for this great post Spencer
I just couldn’t figure out the best answer, but I’ll suggest that you try mixing strawberries, red grapes and a couple of sour cherries.
Ah, but that would be decadent. Dove dark chocolates are health food.
But there’s something really ugly about belittling those who want to ensure that the U.S. truly doesn’t torture people any more
As there is to giving a pass to those who ensured we did torture people.
The pacemaker actually measures the number of discrete sneers per day…like a pedometer for Cheney’s facial muscles.
You’re absolutely right, if we’re talking breakfast.
I quit eating Dominos after taking my first bite.
(For the record, I went to college in Chicago, where pizza is a religious experience. According to my Roman Catholic classmates, Dominos is worthy of an exorcism.)
[response to #15] I used to have a lot of stomach problems. I found the solution was grapefruit. I haven’t bothered to get Tums or any other antacid since I found that. Grapefruit is also good as it’s best served sugar-free.
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BTW, I found that chocolate goes best with dark, heavy coffee.
Brandy, sugar, strawberries, cherries, peaches, pineapples seems to be the formula.
I thought you were talking only fruit, but brandy is dandy.
you betcha.
I’m 2 hrs south of Chicago, still within it’s pizza sphere of influence. Domino’s would be a pretty poor substitute for food worth eating under any circumstances.
Agreed ! Perhaps that’s why BO is kissing up to the Agency … so they cover his ass and their own ?
ABC Juice is great – 3 apples, 2 Carrots and half a Beet.
Not that you prolly grow them but Pineapple and Honeydew, juiced, comes out like Pina Colada …
What Peterr said.
Thanks Peterr.
This is why true accountability should yield effective deterrence. And sweeping it under the rug will ensure this can easily happen again.
FunnyWheelieDiva
OK, at least if a blogger actually had Cheetos in his/her possession, he/she would probably be eating them.
If an interrogator had Cheetos in his/her possession, then they are probably channeling the dreaded Chester Cheez and shoving them up someone’s nose or throwing them in the laundry or forcing someone else to eat them.
so there. Same to you, antibloggers, and more of it.
So who’s Scarborough to accuse any of us of wearing underwear?
Trail mix with some chocolate bits is doable. Geez, I have always hated Mountain Dew and I haven’t had any Domino’s pizza in probably 25 + years (long before blogging).
Interestingly, I borrowed an album (a CD) from the library and one song, Clouds, has a neat line where it mentions the sun and requests that it ‘come out and do the dew again’. I now wonder if that’s where the ad campaign line “Do the Dew” comes from.
I prefer diet green tea, iced Lipton tea, lemonade, Sierra Mist, root beer or Dr. Pepper when I have a soft drink.
I suspect there is some sort of jealousy factor behind the MSM’s over concern with what bloggers wear and eat while blogging. After all, they are limited to the selection in the corporate snack room machines, and the usual bad stale coffee, Whereas we can freely create and re-create our own dress and consumption codes. I suspect they are particularly jealous of the fact that so many bloggers either have cats stretched out next to keyboards, or share space with loyal doggies editors, who critically agree with all content ideas.
Jane Mayer’s piece in the New Yorker on Panetta is an excellent overview of just where the current state of play is right now.
I have an off-the-wall theory about Obama’s seeming to take up the defense of all the Bush/Cheney left-overs, and it is simply that he is defending everything assuming that on some critical issues, the courts are going to come down with contrary opinions. This would force him to comply with the orders of the courts — and that would relieve him of any responsibility for the political spillage. I can’t point to a particular part of Mayer’s piece that supports this theory — but the whole effect was of that color.
but surely some bloggers eat Baeckeoffe or perhaps foi gras?
But really, all the movies show ‘real’ reporters drink scotch and “eat” Marlboroughs. I believe cheap food is in the genre.
Given the current makeup of the SCOTUS,how do you hold the hope that they will “force” obama to reverse w’s (cheney’s) policies? That is just dreaming.