Imagine what would happen if Mir Hussein Moussavi disappeared into Evin prison this afternoon and then a few days later Mahmoud Ahmadinejad emerged to say that Moussavi, under the kind of harsh questioning necessary to protect the Islamic Republic from outside subversion, had confessed to being a paid agent of the CIA. Then imagine Ahmadinejad added that his intelligence agents told him that information resulting from Moussavi’s interrogation had disrupted CIA planning across the country. How credible would you consider these assertions?
In that spirit, consider some newly-declassified information from the so-called Combatant Status Review Tribunals — a now-abandoned procedure to determine if a detainee posed a threat to U.S. interests — at Guantanamo Bay of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah. KSM:
"I make up stories," Mohammed said, describing in broken English an interrogation probably administered by the CIA concerning the whereabouts of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. "Where is he? I don’t know. Then, he torture me," Mohammed said of his interrogator. "Then I said, ‘Yes, he is in this area.’ "
"They told me, ‘Sorry, we discover that you are not Number 3, not a partner, not even a fighter,’ " said Abu Zubaida, speaking in broken English, according to the new transcript of a Combatant Status Review Tribunal held at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Now, according to Dick Cheney — and, just so we don’t get distracted, I AM NOT SAYING DICK CHENEY IS AS BAD AS MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD — there are two CIA documents from 2004 and 2005 wherein the CIA vouched for the accuracy of information it obtained from torturing Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah. It would be nice to see those documents. But what could they possibly indicate other than that the agency told Dick Cheney what he wanted to hear about a cherished interrogation program? Or are we to believe that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is lying about having lied? His diabolical skills of deception are just that good? Waterboarding him 183 times, denying him sleep for a week by contorting his body into unnatural positions, restricting his diet to between 1000 and 1500 calories a day — that’s the stuff that works, not any of the rapport-building crap that trained interrogators like Ali Soufan of the FBI advocate because of, like, their experience.
On Friday, the CIA will release a 2004 report on interrogations and detentions written by former inspector general John Helgerson, a report referenced in the recently declassified Office of Legal Counsel documents from 2005. Read it and ask: what would we say about this behavior if another country performed it?
Crossposted to The Streak.



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Oh Crap. As bad as Cheney ? You’re going to have to go some to show him worse. that’s the dude that set up a section to gin up ‘threats’ from both Iraq and Iran after all. I trust you have seen his YouTube explanation of why George I did not invade Iraq.
A. ? It looks like a Rove-style perversion to fake his results : with him the beneficiary of GOP expertise. His results could have been weak enough on polls to make him think sellout was the only way to hang on.
But Russia and China seem pleased with this result. The list of possible perverters may start with USA and UK – but it doesn’t stop there.
Spencer, I understand why you feel the need to add a qualifier like that to your pieces, you just don’t need to have a bunch of mouth breathers coming over here questioning your patriotism and demanding your head on a silver tray, but at some point we have to be honest too.
Cheney is demonstrably and objectively worse than Ahmedinejad if by no other measure than Cheney is responsible for a WAR in which over 100,000 people died and millions of families were disrupted or destroyed. If you can find a parallel case to lay at the feet of the Iranian president, I’d be pleased to revise my opinion…
mikey
“I AM NOT SAYING DICK CHENEY IS AS BAD AS MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD”; OK, I will !!
Now, Spence,
That’s applying the same standard to the US as we apply to dictatorships. Don’t you understand?!!!
AMERIKA IS GREATEST DEMOCRACY IN THE WORLD!!!1!1!!
That means when we do it, it is ALWAYS A-OK!!!!1!!!1
(/snark)
Not to knock your post, just as info, Glennzilla has been all over this brand of “exceptionalism” for a loooong time now. Worse, now that there’s a DEM in the Whitehouse, a lot of the “it’s OK, we’re the GOOD guys” is now coming from the Left also.
FunnyWheelieDiva
Yes! Yes! True true true…and why is it that ‘network news’ seem so upset in a concern-troll like way about Arm-a-dipshitwad stealing an election when they had no concern at all about Bush/Chaney stealing elections here at home..why???????
on a loosely related note:
Uighurs say US Allowed Chinese to Interrogate Them at GITMO – and their attorneys are claiming US Service Personnel “softened them up”
HuffPo link
But Russia and China seem pleased with this result.
Yes, yes they are. And all (including Ahmadinejad) are partying on down in Yekaterinburg, celebrating the dollar’s imminent demise…
http://www.truthdig.com/report….._bankrupt/
“I AM NOT SAYING DICK CHENEY IS AS BAD AS MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD”
Wouldn’t want an infestation of Ahmadinejad-defending trolls over here, now would we? I mean, what could we say to them?
Well, we could throw them (on) a little “welcoming” barbecue, right?
FWDiva
Well, speaking of the torture, last night at a bar, I overheard an absolutely unreliable source, with no knowledge on the subject, speculate that “the reason the torture photos are so toxic is that they show Israeli Mossad agents taking part in the torturing. The threat posed by the release of these photos is to Israeli national security not US national security, hence, the Lieberman hysteria on the subject.”
Remember, good rumors are hard to start, er, find, er, disprove…
You can tell they are Mossad by the “M” on their foreheads. Just like Maine Coon cats!
In fact, “Maine Coon” is “Mossad” in Jewish. (/snark)
Actually, it’s the Desert Eagle pistols with Combat Grips that will give ‘em away…
FunnyWheelieDiva
Ah! Gotta love those Combat Grips.