Hadi Ghaemi of the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran says he has a hard time taking a strong stance one way or the other about the Berman/Pence Iran resolution currently under debate on the House floor. But it’s wading awfully close into a "political act" for his taste "The text is not objectionable," Ghaemi told me. "But it will be seen as a political act" but the Iranian regime.
It’s "a very, very difficult bind that we’re in right now," Ghaemi says. His organization has called for the invalidation of the election, and he told me on Saturday that the U.S. shouldn’t play a leading role in the international response to the ongoing Iranian uprising. "We do want to generate international support along the lines of the resolution, but we do not want to give an excuse to the Iranian government and leadership, just as the Iranian leader said today" that the Iranian opposition movement is foreign-backed. "It’s very hard to tell people not to support people" in the opposition, but he said that he wishes that the Congress’s call could have been "done much more multilaterally."
"It’s not politically smart, but morally it’s the right thing to do," Ghaemi concluded about the resolution – which, as I type, the House begins to vote on. Sorry, the vote is imminent; my procedural mistake.
Crossposted to The Streak.
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Jesus. It was unanimous except for Ron Paul? Why do Democrats put me in the position of having to agree with Ron Paul? The Dems just couldn’t resist the temptation to get involved. It was too big of a story for them to not make themselves a part of. Why can’t they just shut the fuck up for a week? Everybody already knows whose side we’re on. Just stop talking and making things worse. God what a bunch of assholes.
Here’s a transcript from the debate:
Otter (Pence): “I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.”
Bluto (The House): “We’re just the guys to do it”.”
D-Day (Berman): “Let’s do it.”
All: “Let’s do it!”
The only person stupider than a Democratic member of Congress is a Republican member of Congress, but the margin is not very wide.
It’s just too damn bad that the Republicans did not apply the same standards that they want the Iranians to apply to their elections to our own. Sure did not hear these hypocrites calling of another election in the selection of Bush in 2000. Just too damn hypocritical and absurd to take. Just a bunch of lying, twisted hypocrites.
Amazing how excited Chambliss, Pence, Buchanan, George Will are about Iranian protestors while ignoring or demonizing protestors during the 2000 Presidential judicial coup and the anti invasion protest. They are filled with putrid shit. Rotting from the inside and it stinks to high heaven.
Of course this is meddling with Iranian elections.
As Flynt Leverett has written “get over it” the elections were as fair as ours
The hypocrisy is mind-boggling. Steal an election in the US (2000 and 2004), and there’s hardly a peep.
Oooh, let’s pretend it’s 1953!
The fucking Mulahs will use our involvement as an excuse whether this stupid stuff is done or not.
It’s not hypocrisy if you don’t really believe what you’re saying. I said this in another comment thread, but I really don’t think the Republicans are as stupid (in this case) as we think they are. They know exactly what this bill does. It inserts the US much more forcefully into the situation–something that the people we’re supposedly supporting have asked us repeatedly NOT to do. Not because it’s a totally empty and meaningless gesture (which it is), but because it actually has the likelihood to be used as a weapon against them. There’s no doubt that Khamenei will now use this as evidence that we have backed one side. That will give him an excuse to ratchet up the violence. Many people may actually be hurt or killed in days to come, aided by this resolution.
We can talk about Republican hypocrisy all we want, but keep in mind that not one single Democrat voted against this. Democrats are to blame for this. They need to stop highlighting how Ron Paul is the only person in Congress with any convictions. He’s batshit insane, but at least he’s not a coward.
No, Leen, the election wasn’t as fair as ours. There are big differences.
The washington SS – the stupid and the spineless
Yep. Like if W had tried to claim 69% of the vote (or whatever the “final” Iranian figure is), U.S.ians might have demonstrated too.
I talked to an Iranian friend this morning and he say there are a great many Iranians that cast absentee ballots and there is no way they could have been counted that fast.
Jesus Christ! There’s no comparison between American elections and Iranian ones. No unaccountable body filters our candidates for us ahead of the vote. The theft of the 2000 election was still nowhere near as blatant as what the Iranian regime did on Friday.
But look: stipulate hypocrisy for a moment. Our imperfections do not lead to apoplexy in the face of further injustice.
For more joy: Is it true that W has spoken out against the Obama policies? I was passing a TV where I thought that piece of wisdom hit the crawl. Now, that will surely worry Mr. Cool & Bright.
Foothillsmike: my comment was not directed at you. It was a general statement. Sorry for that.
he wouldn’t have been able to ever make that claim, would he?
I’m not denying that the election was fixed. Evidence seems pretty powerful that it was. It’s just that they fixed it so badly that the result seemed unbelievable to the majority of Iranians.
My point too.
Well, perhaps if one of those religious nutcases were in charge of U.S. foreign policy and U.S. morals, he might have been able to.
It would be pretty funny if it weren’t so sad.
I do think that the authoritarian legitimacy of the religious mafia in Iran has suffered a serious blow, but they can still probably hold power thru strong arm tactics for quite awhile.
Well, you would have to be beyond batshit to even want to be in charge of US morals.
Another audiobook disc loaded, so I’m off to finish some more outdoor work before it rains again tomorrow. Even the grassy areas turn into a mud puddle quickly, the ground is so soaked.
It’s fixin to get a whole lot sadder.
To be sure, but that doesn’t stop many from trying. *g*
I don’t think anyone here is implying the hyprocisy is resticted only to the rethugs.
There are a lot of american taliban who would gladly take on that mantle
Spencer, theft is theft. The theft of 2000 was even more insidious than what happened in Iran because it was more devious. The networks had already called Flordia for Gore based on the extremely accurate exit polls. They were forced to retract their call after the Bush mob moved in.
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Agreed and I did say that it entails being beyond batshit.
I don’t see Nancy Pelosi’s name on the voting tally. What is the rule of her voting. Sometimes, she does vote. Does anyone know?
So you’re saying they’re obviously criminals, but what’s insufferable is they’re not good at it? Is that about it?
That’s pretty close to “He may be bat-shit insane, but at least he’s not a coward” (from up above) in humor and possibly truth at the same time.
If they begin to use a lot of deadly force then we have to ask what is the difference between that and the Taleban? There’s no way to avoid that question.