Yesterday’s Pentagon briefing featured a telling exchange about Iraq between a reporter (whom I think was McClatchy’s Nancy Youssef) and spokesman Geoff Morrell. If the U.S. is on pace to withdraw from Iraq, the reporter wanted to know, wasn’t the U.S. declaring victory? Morrell came up with a couple of unsatisfying evasions — "there still is a threat that remains," the Iraqis have "asked for our assistance" until 2011, etc. — and so the reporter persisted. Finally, Morrell sensibly leveled. "Frankly, I don’t think anybody’s too preoccupied with declaring victory," he said. "I don’t think that was — necessarily something we’ll ever do."
And that’s the mark of a sensible policymaker. For the U.S., victory is a category error in a war like Iraq. The goal is to mitigate the fundamental errors of invasion and occupation by leaving the country in the hands of a reasonably capable Iraqi government. If there is a victory to be had, it’s to be had by that government, when it finds a way to either defeat, co-opt or marginalize the rejectionists challenging its authority.
Or maybe another way. According to the New York Times, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is portraying the June 30 departure of U.S. combat troops from Iraqi towns and cities as a "great victory," ahead of the forthcoming national elections. Gen. Raymond Odierno, commander of U.S. troops in Iraq, contended to Maliki that the prime minister should allow a limited U.S. combat presence in violent northern cities like Mosul. Maliki rejected the argument. His efforts are designed to cast himself as the man who ended the occupation of Iraq, in line with his years-long strategy of consolidating power within his office.
“We will not ask them to intervene in combat operations related to maintaining public order,” he said in an interview with Le Monde published last week. “It is finished.”
Sure, as of next week, 130,000 U.S. troops will still be in Iraq as an insurance policy, training and equipping the Iraqi security forces for missions like emergency medical evacuation, and with their helicopters flying in the skies for if things get gnarly. But that’s less important than the political dynamic that Maliki’s strategy reinforces, which is that there’s a divided to be reaped by the leader who evicts the U.S. from Iraq. And while that may hurt American feelings, it gets the U.S. everything its interests require: out of Iraq, while a reliable-enough U.S. ally increases his hold on power. As a mitigation strategy, it works fairly well. Unsurprisingly, U.S. military leaders embrace it. Here’s military spokesman Stephen Lanza, a one-star general:
“Symbolically,” General Lanza said of the withdrawing American forces ahead of Tuesday, “this is what we want for the Iraqis as a sovereign nation.”
Crossposted to The Streak.
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“Maliki rejected the argument. His efforts are designed to cast himself as the man who ended the occupation of Iraq, in line with his years-long strategy of consolidating power within his office”
Are you familiar with the African Democracy Joke? Said to apply to many African countries after Colonial Independence? “One Man, One Vote, One Time?”
withdrawal after you have won the battle is indeed victory since you can never win an occupation unless you are invited to stay.
there are a few choices in war;
“win and leave”
“loose and leave”
“win and stay, then loose”
“win, annihilate, the stay”
we won, we stayed and have been loosing since we chose to stay
Please folks, it’s lose not loose. Loose is what my ex-wife is.
Search and destroy to search and avoid. Hmmm, where have I heard that?
A big question is whether things in Iraq and Afghanistan — especially Afghanistan — are stable enough to avoid a really bloody fighting withdrawal situation such as in the South Pacific in WWII or Chosin Reservoir during the Korean War.
Even extricating ourselves is going to be messy. But staying will be messier.
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I don’t think that the government is intent on withdrawing from Afghanistan in the near future.
I hate to be the skunk at the garden party, but when you write about the June 30 departure of U.S. combat troops from Iraqi towns and cities, I believe you’re buying into a fallacy.
I read somewhere — and no, I don’t remember where, somewhere on the intertubes, I suppose — that the “departure of U.S. combat troops from Iraqi towns and cities” is being effected by either a) redrawing city lines so that U.S. bases are no longer within the city limits, b) re-designating U.S. combat troops as U.S. non-combat troops or c) both a and b. If that’s the case, this is not a famous victory.
We had virtually no rotor-wing assets in Korea at the time. In addition, there were two large concentrations of troops one at the Chosin and one at the Chongchon River. Third, there is nothing in either one of these places even close to the Chinese Army, or for that matter, the NVA in Vietnam. We could di-di if we wanted to.
Everything related to war is a distortion, so why would anyone expect the distortions to magically end now?
Didn’t their government declare a national holiday for withdrawal day? http://www.google.com/hostedne…..wD990KACG1
When the country you “liberated” thinks you did such a bang up job that they make the day you turn tail and leave a national holiday, you know its ‘mission accomplished’ .. don’t let the door hit you on the way out…. ;P
I thought Bush declared “mission accomplished”
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOL…..omplished/
Just happen to be rolling over hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi people on our way out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..e_Iraq_War
By the way what is happening with those 5 million Iraqi refugees?
I agree with withdrawal 100%. But, with all due respect, I can’t view it as “victory” or condone doing so. For too long, our war-mongering has been fed by the notion that we are somehow “undefeated in war”. Some continue to view Vietnam as a victory for that reason, or at most count it as a victory lost (the stab-in-the-back theory).
We are defeated in Iraq. We were already defeated on the day that we decided to invade. Victory was never even possible because defeat was so unthinkable that we never asked what would constitute victory. To “win” you have to actually “win something”. What was there to win in Iraq? Nothing.
We did, however,lose something: thousands of lives; tens of thousands of limbs, eyes, and brains; uncounted numbers of broken families; our reputation; our economy.
Now it’s time to stop the bleeding, bind up the wounds and–yes–cut and run. Its time for the court martials, the resignations, the reductions in grade, and the political repercussions that follow, rightly, in the way of a catastrophic defeat.
We lost in Iraq.
Two million?
As what you posit is a political defeat, the consequences are political and not necessarily military.