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	<title>Comments on: In Iraq, As In So Many Contexts, Withdrawal Is Victory</title>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/in-iraq-as-in-so-many-contexts-withdrawal-is-victory/#comment-11224</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As what you posit is a political defeat, the consequences are political and not necessarily military.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As what you posit is a political defeat, the consequences are political and not necessarily military.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/in-iraq-as-in-so-many-contexts-withdrawal-is-victory/#comment-11223</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two million?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two million?</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with withdrawal 100%. But, with all due respect, I can’t view it as “victory” or condone doing so. For too long, our war-mongering has been fed by the notion that we are somehow “undefeated in war”. Some continue to view Vietnam as a victory for that reason, or at most count it as a victory lost (the stab-in-the-back theory). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are defeated in Iraq. We were already defeated on the day that we decided to invade. Victory was never even possible because defeat was so unthinkable that we never asked what would constitute victory. To “win” you have to actually “win something”. What was there to win in Iraq? Nothing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We did, however,lose something: thousands of lives; tens of thousands of limbs, eyes, and brains; uncounted numbers of broken families; our reputation; our economy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now it’s time to stop the bleeding, bind up the wounds and–yes–cut and run. Its time for the court martials, the resignations, the reductions in grade, and the political repercussions that follow, rightly, in the way of a catastrophic defeat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We lost in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with withdrawal 100%. But, with all due respect, I can’t view it as “victory” or condone doing so. For too long, our war-mongering has been fed by the notion that we are somehow “undefeated in war”. Some continue to view Vietnam as a victory for that reason, or at most count it as a victory lost (the stab-in-the-back theory). </p>
<p>We are defeated in Iraq. We were already defeated on the day that we decided to invade. Victory was never even possible because defeat was so unthinkable that we never asked what would constitute victory. To “win” you have to actually “win something”. What was there to win in Iraq? Nothing.</p>
<p>We did, however,lose something: thousands of lives; tens of thousands of limbs, eyes, and brains; uncounted numbers of broken families; our reputation; our economy. </p>
<p>Now it’s time to stop the bleeding, bind up the wounds and–yes–cut and run. Its time for the court martials, the resignations, the reductions in grade, and the political repercussions that follow, rightly, in the way of a catastrophic defeat.</p>
<p>We lost in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought Bush declared “mission accomplished”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOL.....omplished/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just happen to be rolling over hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi people on our way out&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_casualties_of_the_Iraq_War&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....e_Iraq_War&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way what is happening with those 5 million Iraqi refugees?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Bush declared “mission accomplished”<br /><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOL&#8230;..omplished/</a></p>
<p>Just happen to be rolling over hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi people on our way out</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_casualties_of_the_Iraq_War" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L&#8230;..e_Iraq_War</a></p>
<p>By the way what is happening with those 5 million Iraqi refugees?</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn’t their government declare a national holiday for withdrawal day?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hwK_CSpBxsNuVUEaDuOwmSSCiqGwD990KACG1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/hostedne.....wD990KACG1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the country you “liberated” thinks you did such a bang up job that they make the day you turn tail and leave a national holiday, you know its ‘mission accomplished’  .. don’t let the door hit you on the way out…. ;P&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn’t their government declare a national holiday for withdrawal day?  <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hwK_CSpBxsNuVUEaDuOwmSSCiqGwD990KACG1" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostedne&#8230;..wD990KACG1</a></p>
<p>When the country you “liberated” thinks you did such a bang up job that they make the day you turn tail and leave a national holiday, you know its ‘mission accomplished’  .. don’t let the door hit you on the way out…. ;P</p>
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		<title>By: ghostof911</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostof911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Everything related to war is a distortion, so why would anyone expect the distortions to magically end now?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything related to war is a distortion, so why would anyone expect the distortions to magically end now?</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We had virtually no rotor-wing assets in Korea at the time. In addition, there were two large concentrations of troops one at the Chosin and one at the Chongchon River. Third, there is nothing in either one of these places even close to the Chinese Army, or for that matter, the NVA in Vietnam. We could di-di if we wanted to.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had virtually no rotor-wing assets in Korea at the time. In addition, there were two large concentrations of troops one at the Chosin and one at the Chongchon River. Third, there is nothing in either one of these places even close to the Chinese Army, or for that matter, the NVA in Vietnam. We could di-di if we wanted to.</p>
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		<title>By: bluewombat</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluewombat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hate to be the skunk at the garden party, but when you write about the June 30 departure of U.S. combat troops from Iraqi towns and cities, I believe you’re buying into a fallacy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read somewhere — and no, I don’t remember where, somewhere on the intertubes, I suppose — that the “departure of U.S. combat troops from Iraqi towns and cities” is being effected by either a) redrawing city lines so that U.S. bases are no longer within the city limits, b) re-designating U.S. combat troops as U.S. non-combat troops or c) both a and b. If that’s the case, this is not a famous victory.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be the skunk at the garden party, but when you write about the June 30 departure of U.S. combat troops from Iraqi towns and cities, I believe you’re buying into a fallacy.</p>
<p>I read somewhere — and no, I don’t remember where, somewhere on the intertubes, I suppose — that the “departure of U.S. combat troops from Iraqi towns and cities” is being effected by either a) redrawing city lines so that U.S. bases are no longer within the city limits, b) re-designating U.S. combat troops as U.S. non-combat troops or c) both a and b. If that’s the case, this is not a famous victory.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/in-iraq-as-in-so-many-contexts-withdrawal-is-victory/#comment-11216</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t think that the government is intent on withdrawing from Afghanistan in the near future.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think that the government is intent on withdrawing from Afghanistan in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scarecrow’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5964&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;newest post&lt;/a&gt; just went up on the front page: “The Other Reason Why Single Payer Health Care Should Be on the Table”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarecrow’s <a href="http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5964" rel="nofollow">newest post</a> just went up on the front page: “The Other Reason Why Single Payer Health Care Should Be on the Table”</p>
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