Thanks for this, I’ve always wondered what kind of info. gets circulated from AIPAC. I bet you are going to find yourself “unsubscribed” from their mailing list pretty soon, whether voluntary or not.

Hey, I’m not *on* their mailing list. This isn’t my Tumblr! I have a moral objection to Tumblr.

“aipac.tumblr” AIPAC didn’t have a Tumblr account yet?

Why? What’s the big deal with Tumblr anyway?

“controlling the goyische mind” by Blackmail of course … & physically being the congress members gatekeeper — keeping calenders, screening calls — oh those kinda admin things that normal admin people do…

“How do you think I convinced Jane to let me host my blog at FDL?” One does wonder when we see the lack of comments here?

Only joking I have a wicked sense of humour.

and a tenuous grasp on reality

Noting your reality is TOTALLY absorbed by continually screening comments on FIREDOGLAKE — and making knee-jerk empty comments when there’s anything remotely detrimental about the Israel Lobby or seeming to affect your precious sensibilities — grown a skin.

Keep pounding, sand

yep — macaquerman keep the paranoia up …

Sand, I don’t think that you really understand my feelings toward the Israel lobby.
FWIW, my position starts with fuck AIPAC, Lieberman, Natanyahu, and the occupation.
Maybe you could hold up the paranoia for me.

Understand your feelings?

This coming from a person that never fails to hit on people who are totally justified in their concern and utter disgust at our ’supposed’ progressive, pro-peace, pro-human rights democrats who continually ignore the crimes of Israel, even working directly on their own — coordinating policy with the Israel Knesset — whose sole aim is protect those millions going in aid and loans to another country when the money could be better spent here and for their own constituents. This coming from a person that confesses?? they don’t even bother to read what garbage comes out from AIPAC.

What is there to understand, noting I’ve never seen you come up with a plan, oh like sanctions, to actually deal with these f*ckers?

And just to let you know I’ve put up a post about the AIPAC Intern program up at Mondoweiss. Maybe Spencer could do a follow-up post with his ‘inside’ knowledge and answer some of them. Also, wondering if he’s found out if Dennis Ross title has veto access to enter Obama’s door unannounced?

http://www.philipweiss.org/mon…..aipac.html

I don’t really understand that anyone has been able to come up with a plan that would impose sanctions on AIPAC and still be in conformity with our laws.
Let us all know when you see one that would work. Try posting it at Oxdown.

If you really give enough of a damn about my comments, you might, by reading closer, see that what I bitch about isn’t people criticizing the Israeli lobby, it’s people expressing an entirely one-sided view of the conflict, either side.

“…I don’t really understand that anyone has been able to come up with a plan that would impose sanctions on AIPAC and still be in conformity with our laws…”

Bullshit… the laws are already being broken and Israel needs to be under sanctions by not coming under the NPT.

“If you really give enough of a damn about my comments, you might, by reading closer, see that what I bitch about isn’t people criticizing the Israeli lobby, it’s people expressing an entirely one-sided view of the conflict, either side.”

Nope — I read you comments and it’s often you bitching if you see anyone use the word “Jew” — with you often dredging up the strawman argument and planting on people that they appear to be talking about ALL Jews when it’s pretty obvious they’re not.

Plus, those settlements are illegal — so no money should be going to settle immigrants into illegal settlements, and enforcement procedures should be setup to make sure no money is going where it shouldn’t.

I must have me confused with someone else. The next time you see me bitch about something that’s obviously wrong, point it out then and there.

How did settlements get into this conversation? Was it here before? Did I say something in support of them?

Finally, post a list of the laws that AIPAC is breaking. It would please the both of us if you can do that.

“…The next time you see me bitch about something that’s obviously wrong, point it out then and there…”

Here’s a post that I thought your comment was strange:

hazmaq July 5th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

Quite respectfully I say this to all the pro-Israeli people: as long as the American Congress -in particular the Democrats, are owned by Israel and put Israeli interests first before the American citizens I will never ever vote for another Jew in Congress nor will I buy any product associated with Israel. I’m also so ashamed by Reid’s leadership in the Senate I will never support another Democrat again

Israelis have turned bestial while American dollars soak in their bloodletting = we’ve become their pimps.

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and you come up with this inane comment:

macaquerman July 5th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

“…As long as you can’t differentiate between Israelis and American Jews, I somewhat respectfully suggest that you’re perfectly welcome to select your favorite candidates by making sure that they practice religions of which you approve…”

Huh?

From my reading he/she was talking about the track record of American Jews IN POLITICS and CONGRESS — that are usually the first in line to make sure that funds continue to be funneled to Israel that ultimately fund the bloodletting — He/she seems to know more about ’some’ of their pro-Israel track records in Congress than you do… [I’m also really disappointed with the direction Jan Schakowsky is going with regards to Iran.]

Unfortunately, it’s also the usually well connected and powerful Jewish Congress members [exception of Hoyer on our side whose sister is on the board of AIPAC] that have the most uber Israel fixation — in fact it’s getting to the point of being embarrassingly blatant. Plus, they just happen to have chairmanships on many of the foreign affairs committees.

You’ve got to face it most American’s don’t really care about Israel when they find out Israel is getting preferential treatment over their own kids at home — and that there are certain prominent Jewish individuals in congress that are the power brokers that are helping and are complicit in the ethnic cleansing that is currently going on over in Israel. Iran is a whole other matter. I knew where he was coming from — why don’t you?

So, why shouldn’t he/she be concerned about what kind of personal politics will be brought into a highly privileged/highly sought after position of power in political life — especially when that person should be expected to represent all constituents interests, especially when it comes to America-First interests?

Plus, I wasn’t implying sanctions on AIPAC — what they need is to be registered under FARA. However, AIPAC represents Israel here, so any sanctions brought forth we would be up against the full force of AIPAC and their allies in Congress. But as you don’t even read their website — it would explain why you are clueless about that connection.

Sand, I’m pretty content with the sentiment I expressed there. If that person wants to say that NO Jew should be elected in future because he/she doesn’t like what SOME Jews have done in the past, that person is committing to a policy and line of thought that is terribly flawed.

AIPAC doesn’t even represent Israel. They represent the worst part of it. I no longer read their stuff because it pisses me off too much.
If I’m clueless about what they’re up to at present, I’m somewhat informed about what they’ve done in the past. You might be interested in how Sen Fulbright’s career ended.

I think you are completely ignoring what that poster was trying to say…

ALL you could grasp is the guy doesn’t want a JEW in congress… PERIOD == So limiting…

You never think to explore the reason why he thinks that way? And don’t give me some bs excuse that it’s about anti-semitism — that’s an easy cop-up… No, what I’m seeing is a breakdown of TRUST, and especially with those in power, and the unearthing of what really drives them. [BTW: I think the same can be said about Baucus, Nelson etc within our party too… with their corporate republican facade finally being ripped away — as well as Reid — god, the years I’ve waited for people to finally wake up — the poster above seems to have finally got it!]

People are waking up — in the case of Israel/Palestine even Iran == they are seeing people who they thought they trusted were not only complicit in previous Israeli atrocities, but are blatantly championing Israel’s current atrocities as well.

“…AIPAC doesn’t even represent Israel. They represent the worst part of it…

I agree with you there — However, they’ve been supporting that worst part well before that ‘worst part’ got into power in Israel. Which is why for obvious reasons the Israel Lobby is often called the Likud-Lobby with many Democratic members being openly joined at the hip with them e.g. Sen. Carden.

Yes, I’ve read about Sen Fulbright’s run-in with the Lobby — and that was in the 60’s — and I do think about what they’re up to now…

But remember there was also Steiner and he left in the early ’90’s — so truly god knows how far their tentacles have spread now — the problem is not only in Congress.

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1292/9212013.html

I’m sure that you’re right and that I haven’t the ability to grasp much about the issue. I’m probably so frickin dim that the guy/gal who says NO JEWS shouldn’t have bothered amending or amplifying that little deep and multi-faceted gem.

I wouldn’t call you dim — just a little paranoid regarding hazmaq post.

You know what an anti-semitic ranting post is — and IMHO his/hers wasn’t it.

“I will never vote for another Jew in Congress” is indeed antisemitic. I would have ripped the shit out of this commenter if I had seen this comment at the time. Thank you for alerting me to it.

I see so…

“I will never vote for another evangelical in Congress” because of their anti-choice stance.

“I will never vote for another Brit in Congress” because of their anti-Irish stance.

Yeah and would you have ripped the shit of that commenter as well? — v. telling. One track mind seriously.

Anybody who’s going to try to elect Brits into Congress certainly doesn’t need any shit from Spencer.

You’re right… when in recent history has a BRIT with ‘dual’ citizenry and even allegiance ever aspired to US public office. My bad.

‘dual citizenSHIP’

Plus, we are talking about allegiance to a ‘pure’ British State like the BNP is talking about.

I’m not sure that a Brit would consider running for our Congress to be aspirational.

Why — you don’t think there are British dual citizens in the US that are politically inspired [for the planet], but have the savvy to realize they would never make it here?

And many definitely not being BNP followers.

No, Sand, the bloody Brits sucked all they could from us as long as they could. Then that nasty little Roosevelt guy helped Churchill suck billions more in phony Lend-Lease.
All Brits are filthy colonialist Imperialist scumdogs and millions of our true-blue Americans died to keep their lousy two-bit filthy racialist Empire afloat and to help the stinking Saxe-Coberg scum continue sitting on their throne and safe from their Germanic cousins wrath.
All those after we beat their cowardly longnosed asses raw to gain our independence and beat them again after they violated our nation in 1812.
They controlled our Congress all throughout the first half of the twentieth century through their filthy WASPish cousins and for even longer in the striped-pants set at Foggy Bottom.
Anybody who would vote for a lousy limesucking Brit is no American. We’ll have no more of the bastards.

I hope that you recognize this for the astute political analysis that it is and not mistake it for something so limiting as an indication of irrational thinking toward our allies.
Offered in a sort of hazmaqian spirit. Cheerio.

Giggle… as I said before — “keep the paranoia up… if it helps you survive.

Wow, your reasoning skills are truly colored by your dislike for my people. Does it really bear explicating that “I will never vote for another Jew in Congress” depends on an ignorant and disgusting portrayal of Jews as a monolithic entity? I’d argue with you further but it’s pointless. Take your comments to some other blog.

I have to give it to you Macaquerman. You crack me up.

If I amuse you, you’re one of a chosen few.

I disagree with you sometimes but you can be quite funny. It helps.

Thanks and see you around the place, Db.