U.S. officials for months have been quick to say that the Pakistanis are getting more and more capable with counterinsurgency and embrace its tenets more with each passing day. But I’ve heard from some officials that the military conceives of its real enemy as Mehsud himself, presuming that the network he created will shatter in his absence and that the conditions amongst the people — political, social, economic, etc. — that allowed it to take root are a minor concern. Well, if they’re right, mission accomplished:
Mehsud is (almost definitely) dead. The problem is that ignores everything we’ve learned about extremist movements like the Pakistani Taliban.
It’s not that Mehsud is an unimportant figure, or that movements can’t fracture with the deaths of their leaders. A commenter, Abdullah, at the Windy, noted, "Mehsud is/was a person who was increasingly isolated in Pakistan and even in his own Mehsud Tribe. He lost support after people saw his men blasting hotels, mass killing ordinary people and blowing up girls schools." But the issue is that insurgent groups tend to organize themselves precisely for survivability in the event of decapitation. In Iraq, the U.S. killed and detained a lot of al-Qaeda in Iraq leaders, including Abu Musab al-Zarqawi himself, but only when the Sunni Iraqi population decisively turned against AQI did the terrorist network find itself, for all strategic purposes, defeated.
I’m not saying that what happened in Iraq is guaranteed to repeat itself in Pakistan. But the New York Times reports that already Mehsud’s deputies are meeting to see who replaces him and where the movement goes next. This is an opportunity that the Pakistani military and its government can seize or can miss. And like Abu Muqawama, my sense is that the Pakistanis are primed to miss it. "The successors are all non-entities," a former tribal-area security chief scoffed to the Times.
We’re only deluding ourselves if we think that the decisive moment for Pakistan’s victory over the Taliban was Mehsud’s death. And after eight long years of this, we have no excuse for those delusions.
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It’s a good start. Cut off the head smart guy and you have a committee of three dumber guys. Committees don’t plan as well. The war is not done, but it is a great achievement for our drone program. I’m just hoping we get good intel on bin Laden and that Obama lets us take him out…
That’s true…it is a tribute to American air power though and how good the technology is…
You make a brilliant point. Leaders are simply irreplaceable. If every four or eight years you have to choose a new leader, the whole structure will crumble.
What is the impact then of charisma on the effectiveness of leadership?
I know…it’s just too bad Cheney isn’t there now….he would have used the power more effectively.
Yes. Many times I have thought, the war for Europe would have turned out differently if only Cheney had been guiding the Wehrmacht.
No…Cheney is more like MacArthur…he fights for us, the Good Guys…
I kinda of see Cheney in mulch the same way as I view everything you’ve written on this thread.
Sorry to burst the bubble here, but Madsen has a very different background on Mehsud, that will re-orient the thinking on his killing by the CIA/JSOC…
I truncated a bit, but would gladly provide the stuff I cut out, if asked…
Did Madsen include anything factual or verifiable instead of stuff like intelligence sources say that there are multiple indications of organized efforts by hostile forces bent on creating a network of weapon-snatchers for the benefit of old fat white guys.
What is your issue with Madsen’s reporting? Perhaps his bio might answer some of your questions…
I’ve no issue with Madsen or his bio. My problem is figuring how much of the stuff you reprinted was reality-based without there being a single verifiable thing in it.
I’ve read hundreds of stories that are largely quotations of unnamed Pakistani intelligence or government officials and they are at least as likely to be utter bullshit as they are likely to be truth.
When you run with this stuff and assert that it’s “bubble-busting” and sufficient to cause a “re-orienting of thinking” I don’t think that it’s overmuch to question the factual content.
Note that Huffington Post is on this, as well. I get it…it’s all unverifiable, open to debate, likely to be utter bullshit, doesn’t fit your reality…didn’t happen. How right-wing is that?!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..54043.html
Asking for facts instead of trusting in assertion is right-wing?
Nothing that Madsen reports in inherently unverifiable,merely unverified, and nothing in your link to Huffington Post even remotely approaches seconding the Cheney assertions in the Madsen story.
We’re done, dude. Believe what you want. Not here to argue about some diversionary topic.
I’m just curious why this Mehsud’s demise didn’t make big headlines; instead the newspapers this morning declared that Obama can’t articulate his goals in Afghanistan…
Madsen is the quintessential “you’re just going to have to trust me on this” reporter. It’s natural that some people will be willing to give that trust, and others won’t. Humbly suggest leaving it as an agreement to disagree.
No hard proof yet and no Taliban statement until after the morning papers went out.
Some Taliban spokesman sent a confirmation to AP only after noon.
Hmmm…good advice, thanks.
Spencer, Baitullah Mehsud isn’t (almost definitely) dead anymore, he’s dead. TTP formally announced his and his wife’s death in a phone call to the Associated Press of Pakistan. Dawn has the story.
Personally, I find the idea that he was run by Cheney/CIA quite laughable and pretty racist.
“…laughable and pretty racist”?? That’s rich!! Glad you noted it is your personal opinion…phew!!
Baitullah Mehsud’s claim to leadership of the Taliban in Pakistan rests on about two years of violence against Tribal Leadership, many of whom died in the process, so he was able to unify leadership and control in himself. I don’t think the question now is who is selected to replace him, but rather, are the dynamics of what Mehsud did to achieve leadership now likely to splinter the movement. There are lots of Tribal Leaders in the FATA who had Fathers. Uncles, and Brothers killed as Mehsud consolidated power — and who will see his death as opportunity for revenge. That is the Pashtun cultural dynamic, and the real question is how the Pakistani Army and ISI — and to some extent the Americans, — manage the aftermath.
Attributing everything of consequence to Westerners as if there is no one among the little brown people capable of either good, evil, or other achievements is considered racist. Blaming every single bad thing in the world on the machinations of the CIA or Cheney fits the description. But it’s fun for the feeble minded in the U.S. and Europe.
Perfect that you would have to come back at me with that drivel…very fitting. Too funny that your angle on racism is so twisted, and it clearly is a default for the simpleminded, such as yourself.
Good night…