Comments on: In Quasi-Sorta-Defense of the Washington Post’s Torture Piece Actually, Just: No.

By: UserLoser

UserLoser — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:41:34 +0000

Cheney is a stone age thug.

By: OldFatGuy

OldFatGuy — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:10:10 +0000

Therefore, it doesn’t matter whether torture works.

That’s exactly the point I’ve been trying to make for the past few weeks, well since Cheney first went that route after the release of the first memos earlier in the years.

First it was “We don’t torture.”

Then after the memos basically left little doubt, it was Cheney that started the “OK, maybe we did torture but it worked” when he then urged the CIA to release the memos showing their “effectiveness.”

You’re absolutely dead on correct.

IT DOESN’T MATTER IF IT WORKED OR NOT. IT’S JUST PLAIN WRONG, AND ILLEGAL.

By: tjfxh

tjfxh — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:59:03 +0000

Why are we even talking about whether” torture works.” Of course it works — to get a person being tortured to say anything to stop the torture. To get actionable information that is reliable? Well, no, it doesn’t.

But the real issue here is that torture is immoral, unethical, and illegal under US law and international law. Therefore, it doesn’t matter whether torture works. The US cannot do it without changing its constitution and laws, and withdrawing from international treaties and the international community and becoming a rogue state.

Talking about this is just to distract and confuse. Just say NO.

By: OldFatGuy

OldFatGuy — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:08:48 +0000

In doing so, they tainted a trial that will probably now never be able to be held because the evidence is all fruit of the poisonous tree.

Ahh, yes, can’t you hear the screams now if a judge throws out all of the evidence and he must be freed? I can guarantee you the entire media will focus on the outrage of him going free instead of the outrage on WHY he would be freed (which by the way is never gonna happen).

But it’s fun to think about, because you can hear them arguing now about the need for a whole new Constitution because one that would let such a discpicable person free on a “technicality” is just no good at all.

Gee, maybe this IS what they want after all???

By: rxbusa

rxbusa — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:05:40 +0000

I don’t know if incest is such a great example…it is repugnant enough, sure, but effective? Remember Deliverance? And all that crazy inbred royalty?

By: demi

demi — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:02:31 +0000

Spenser
Your title is just so precious, kind of like Valerie’s redactions. Cool that technology helps us make such a clever point. PS I know I spelled a word incorrectly here.
Context, Spenser. I saw you on tv a while ago on Rachel. Not non-glare glasses, On Camera, Shouting out your girlfriend. Spenser. You have a wonderful point to make. Kindly consider not letting the superfluous get in the way. No. Really. Just trying to help.

By: UserLoser

UserLoser — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:38:34 +0000

When does cute intellectual games become criminal and can we trust ourselves to be our own cop? Will we all cheat when we think no one is around? Question is why do we seem so intent on zapping ourselves on the third rail once again. How much of this brutality is human nature and can we save ourselves?

By: eagleye

eagleye — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:35:19 +0000

It’s possible to get pretty deep into the woods on the particulars of the torture question and forget that we’re dealing with an administration that took this country to war on false premises. Once you’ve done that, your credibility on everything pretty much evaporates. Nothing that any of the Bushniks says about torture should be taken seriously.

By: UserLoser

UserLoser — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:23:24 +0000

Isn’t this the whole point of the poisoned fruit thing… The whole stew becomes poison? How do you know and what do you know matters. At a certain point do you expire chasing your tail? With foundations of shit you build your city when it flows down the sewer are you surprised? All of this back and forth to reprove the Enlightenment is fascinating but these are real lives you’re talking about here not some characters on TV. Cut to the chase college boy. I swear we are endlessly reliving history here.

By: TheScarletPimpernel

TheScarletPimpernel — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:03:38 +0000

I guess it is kinda, sorta OK to torture KSM if you kinda, sorta completely disregard the fact that ALL of the ‘high value’ information that he gave to the CheneyIA he gave to AlJazeera 2 years before he was captured. Write them and ask if you don’t believe it. The man was proud of what he did and wanted the whole damn world to know ALL about it. Torture was just the only way that the CheneyIA could punish KSM and try to pretend it was legal. In doing so, they tainted a trial that will probably now never be able to be held because the evidence is all fruit of the poisonous tree.