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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/18/not-3b/#comment-13392</link>
		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/09/bribes_not_a_cure_for_corrupti.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Economist&lt;/a&gt; has some sensible things to say on the subject of creating legitimacy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cash that flows in as tribute from foreign sources replaces the authentic source of governing authority and capacity: taxes. A regime’s ability to collect taxes from its own people is one of the key indicators that it has legitimacy. A regime that depends on taxes to function and retain power will seek to assure that it retains legitimacy, by carrying out the necessary functions of governance. “Legitimacy” need not stem from democracy; a stable authoritarian regime, like China, can have one without the other. But it does require that the government govern, as Samuel Huntington used to put it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…Even feudal rulers must safeguard their subjects’ interests to some extent, since they derive their incomes from those subjects. The more America funnels money to warlords, the more it turns them into something even worse than feudal rulers: satraps, with incomes drawn from the imperial centre. It may be that there is no way for the West to establish a legitimate government in Afghanistan at this point. But more bribes are definitely not the way to do it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards, Steve&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/09/bribes_not_a_cure_for_corrupti.cfm" rel="nofollow">The Economist</a> has some sensible things to say on the subject of creating legitimacy:</p>
<blockquote><p>Cash that flows in as tribute from foreign sources replaces the authentic source of governing authority and capacity: taxes. A regime’s ability to collect taxes from its own people is one of the key indicators that it has legitimacy. A regime that depends on taxes to function and retain power will seek to assure that it retains legitimacy, by carrying out the necessary functions of governance. “Legitimacy” need not stem from democracy; a stable authoritarian regime, like China, can have one without the other. But it does require that the government govern, as Samuel Huntington used to put it.</p>
<p>…Even feudal rulers must safeguard their subjects’ interests to some extent, since they derive their incomes from those subjects. The more America funnels money to warlords, the more it turns them into something even worse than feudal rulers: satraps, with incomes drawn from the imperial centre. It may be that there is no way for the West to establish a legitimate government in Afghanistan at this point. But more bribes are definitely not the way to do it.</p>
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<p>Regards, Steve</p>
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		<title>By: mikeyhemlok</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/18/not-3b/#comment-13390</link>
		<dc:creator>mikeyhemlok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There IS no financial leverage.  To believe that the US will cut off funds to the Afghan government or security forces at this point is ludicrous.  No matter what the US and NATO SAY, the funds will continue to flow in one form or another, and will continue to be diverted.  Corruption, as you say, is inherent in the system.  That means it’s not just Karzai, or any given actor, but whoever occupies positions of power in the Afghan leadership structures, whether government, tribal, local, clerical or insurgent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only way to get a handle on the corruption would be to remove the international military presence, the civilian presence and the NGOs.  Oh, the corruption would still be there, but the amount of money available to steal would be much smaller.  As long as international funds flow into Afghanistan, much of it will be diverted (stolen) by those with the power to do so…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;mikey&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There IS no financial leverage.  To believe that the US will cut off funds to the Afghan government or security forces at this point is ludicrous.  No matter what the US and NATO SAY, the funds will continue to flow in one form or another, and will continue to be diverted.  Corruption, as you say, is inherent in the system.  That means it’s not just Karzai, or any given actor, but whoever occupies positions of power in the Afghan leadership structures, whether government, tribal, local, clerical or insurgent.</p>
<p>The only way to get a handle on the corruption would be to remove the international military presence, the civilian presence and the NGOs.  Oh, the corruption would still be there, but the amount of money available to steal would be much smaller.  As long as international funds flow into Afghanistan, much of it will be diverted (stolen) by those with the power to do so…</p>
<p>mikey</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
		<link>http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/18/not-3b/#comment-13389</link>
		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent post. The issue of not trusting the government is far bigger than the issue of corruption as can be seen at the mothership every day. K’tiva v’ chasima tova.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. The issue of not trusting the government is far bigger than the issue of corruption as can be seen at the mothership every day. K’tiva v’ chasima tova.</p>
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