Comments on: Obama, Brown, Sarkozy: Full Nuclear Disclosure By December Or Sanctions http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/ Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:59:36 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: riesenschnauzer http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13606 riesenschnauzer Sat, 26 Sep 2009 04:34:37 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13606 <p>No response…</p> <p>Screw it! I am moving my family to Denmark…</p> No response…

Screw it! I am moving my family to Denmark…

]]> By: riesenschnauzer http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13605 riesenschnauzer Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:48:41 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13605 <p>What the F$$K!!! Why aren’t we talking about the events that took place at the University? Have we truly become a police state? What happened to students in Pittsburgh is just as bad as what happened in Iran after the election! If nothing happens to the irresponsible idiots who teargassed and beat innocent students in Pittsburgh at the G-20 then we are truly a country of people sticking their heads in the sand. Did we learn nothing from Kent State??? Where are you Firedoglake?? Why are we talking about healthcare reform when we aren’t even able to protect our civil rights not to mention our constitutional rights? Screw healthcare reform if our children don’t even have the right to gather in a public forum and express their opinion withiut getting teargassed and beaten. Where are you Firedoglake? These kids need an adult progressive voice! We have become Iran on steroids!<br /> Obviously, I am angry. Why aren’t you guys? I went specifically to you Attackerman, trying to prove to my daughter that there are going to be people who hold these guys’ feet to the fire.</p> <p>Something needs to be done, said, and people need to be held responsible! See for yourself at the attached link.</p> <p><a href="http://www.indypgh.org/g20/#k-fbd79b0e2ce5faae" rel="nofollow">http://www.indypgh.org/g20/#k-fbd79b0e2ce5faae</a></p> <p>Sorry to harsh you, I’m out.</p> What the F$$K!!! Why aren’t we talking about the events that took place at the University? Have we truly become a police state? What happened to students in Pittsburgh is just as bad as what happened in Iran after the election! If nothing happens to the irresponsible idiots who teargassed and beat innocent students in Pittsburgh at the G-20 then we are truly a country of people sticking their heads in the sand. Did we learn nothing from Kent State??? Where are you Firedoglake?? Why are we talking about healthcare reform when we aren’t even able to protect our civil rights not to mention our constitutional rights? Screw healthcare reform if our children don’t even have the right to gather in a public forum and express their opinion withiut getting teargassed and beaten. Where are you Firedoglake? These kids need an adult progressive voice! We have become Iran on steroids!
Obviously, I am angry. Why aren’t you guys? I went specifically to you Attackerman, trying to prove to my daughter that there are going to be people who hold these guys’ feet to the fire.

Something needs to be done, said, and people need to be held responsible! See for yourself at the attached link.

http://www.indypgh.org/g20/#k-fbd79b0e2ce5faae

Sorry to harsh you, I’m out.

]]> By: macaquerman http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13597 macaquerman Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:06:53 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13597 <p>That wouldn’t do the trick. Since a lot of the aid is in the form of weaponry, cutting the aid would probably work against the purpose.</p> <p>(Besides we need to threaten the aid cut-off over the land question, don’t we?)</p> That wouldn’t do the trick. Since a lot of the aid is in the form of weaponry, cutting the aid would probably work against the purpose.

(Besides we need to threaten the aid cut-off over the land question, don’t we?)

]]> By: Gitcheegumee http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13595 Gitcheegumee Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:37:05 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13595 <p>If we are going to apply the “serial deception” threshold, that does not bode well for Geneva Convention tribunals relating to the Bush administration….assuming they ever ocur.</p> If we are going to apply the “serial deception” threshold, that does not bode well for Geneva Convention tribunals relating to the Bush administration….assuming they ever ocur.

]]> By: cregan http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13594 cregan Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:32:12 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13594 <p>This “incident” brings up a lot of questions.</p> <p>According to Obama officials, Iran only disclosed the plant when they found out it was not a secret anymore. </p> <p>At the very least, this strikes a real blow to any Iranian believability regarding ANY aspect of the nuclear activities. </p> <p>Second, if Obama actually did know about this all along, why he thought any kind of “outstretched hand” policy was going to be worth anything, is a mystery. You don’t treat liars with outstretched hands. Same as you don’t treat Bush with an outstretched hand. Or Cheney with an outstretched hand. You treat Iran the same way as you would treat Bush and Cheney.</p> This “incident” brings up a lot of questions.

According to Obama officials, Iran only disclosed the plant when they found out it was not a secret anymore.

At the very least, this strikes a real blow to any Iranian believability regarding ANY aspect of the nuclear activities.

Second, if Obama actually did know about this all along, why he thought any kind of “outstretched hand” policy was going to be worth anything, is a mystery. You don’t treat liars with outstretched hands. Same as you don’t treat Bush with an outstretched hand. Or Cheney with an outstretched hand. You treat Iran the same way as you would treat Bush and Cheney.

]]> By: Gitcheegumee http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13593 Gitcheegumee Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:31:01 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13593 <p>WHY does Israel require aid?</p> WHY does Israel require aid?

]]> By: Gitcheegumee http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13592 Gitcheegumee Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:29:23 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13592 <p>Except our OWN government?</p> <p>“It’s hard to get a man to understand something when his paycheck depends upon his not understanding it.”….H.L.Mencken</p> Except our OWN government?

“It’s hard to get a man to understand something when his paycheck depends upon his not understanding it.”….H.L.Mencken

]]> By: arob http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13591 arob Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:28:41 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13591 <p>What are sanctions going to do? We saw what a great job they did in Iraq, and what a tragedy they were for the Iraqi people. What’s to say sanctions wouldn’t weaken the opposition there by re-uniting Iranians around the ayatollahs? And if the sanctions include an embargo, how will they enforce it without US ships in the Persian Gulf? It could easily lead to a Gulf of Tonkin incident.</p> <p>They’re probably blabbing so much about Iran because they don’t want to talk about the economic crisis and how they are at fault for it.</p> What are sanctions going to do? We saw what a great job they did in Iraq, and what a tragedy they were for the Iraqi people. What’s to say sanctions wouldn’t weaken the opposition there by re-uniting Iranians around the ayatollahs? And if the sanctions include an embargo, how will they enforce it without US ships in the Persian Gulf? It could easily lead to a Gulf of Tonkin incident.

They’re probably blabbing so much about Iran because they don’t want to talk about the economic crisis and how they are at fault for it.

]]> By: Leen http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13590 Leen Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:26:08 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13590 <p>cut the aid</p> cut the aid

]]> By: Leen http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13588 Leen Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:48:52 +0000 http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/25/obama-brown-sarkozy-full-nuclear-disclosure-by-december-or-sanctions/#comment-13588 <p>thought I had read this somewhere</p> <p>“The safeguards agreement between Iran and the IAEA requires Iran to declare nuclear facilities as soon as they begin construction. Now, in March of 2007, Iran unilaterally said it did not feel bound by that element of its safeguards agreement. And we know construction of the facility began even before the Iranians unilaterally said that they did not feel bound by that obligation. So clearly this is inconsistent, in my view; obviously a violation of their safeguards agreement.”</p> <p>Safeguard agreements<br /><a href="http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:EdNn1rPVFQ8J:www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Infcircs/Others/infcirc214.pdf+sageguards+between+Iran+and+the+Iaea&hl=en&gl=us&sig=AFQjCNFp0KR6ywfETtOKK5fXkkdTMXltPQ" rel="nofollow">http://docs.google.com/gview?a.....kkdTMXltPQ</a></p> <p>“</p> thought I had read this somewhere

“The safeguards agreement between Iran and the IAEA requires Iran to declare nuclear facilities as soon as they begin construction. Now, in March of 2007, Iran unilaterally said it did not feel bound by that element of its safeguards agreement. And we know construction of the facility began even before the Iranians unilaterally said that they did not feel bound by that obligation. So clearly this is inconsistent, in my view; obviously a violation of their safeguards agreement.”

Safeguard agreements
http://docs.google.com/gview?a…..kkdTMXltPQ

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