As I write for the Windy, consider the context here, and ask yourself: how easy is it to turn that spigot off?
And when the resources of the United States are tied up, for years, in another war a few thousand miles to the west, perhaps there aren’t better practical options than to keep making those payments. Who wants to risk an eruption, or a political collapse, when the eyes of the Bush administration are on the chaos in Iraq? And since the military and intelligence priority during that period is to hunt terrorists, but you don’t have a robust intelligence network in-country and the Pashtun population isn’t going to tip you off because you don’t do anything for it, wouldn’t it make more sense to keep renting your politically connected warlords?
There’s more, so click through. But this raises the question of who else the CIA is paying off in Afghanistan; and how it relates to the general strategy there.
Put another way: in their NYT op-ed, Exum and Kilcullen made the good point that the drones in Pakistan were a tactic, not a strategy. Things get bad when you confuse the two, because you, for lack of a better term, lose the plot. Well, in Afghanistan for the last six-seven years, we’ve had barely even the patina of a strategy, just disconnected tactics and searches for silver bullets. We don’t seem to have gotten much out of these payments, accordingly: just an incoherent and deteriorated war that now has to be bailed out.
To be clear: I’m not passing any value judgments on paying off AWK; I’m just saying there’s a context here.



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I don’t really care about the cash, I just wonder what’s the money for? At what point do you re-evalute who your payments are going to in the face of what’s going on on the ground? If what we are currently doing in Afghanistan not working,is he getting money for nothing?
Money is for nothin and the chicks for free.
Didn’t you notice how peaceful it got around Kandahar with Wali organizing the U.S. paid for paramilitary? /s
“But this raises the question of who else the CIA is paying off in Afghanistan; and how it relates to the general strategy there.”
“EDMONDS: Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always “bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them.
There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent, bringing people from East Turkestan into Kyrgyzstan, from Kyrgyzstan to Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan some of them were being channeled to Chechnya, some of them were being channeled to Bosnia. From Turkey, they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back.
GIRALDI: Was the U.S. government aware of this circular deal?
EDMONDS: 100 percent. A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and Paterson, New Jersey. Turkish diplomats who would never be searched were coming with suitcases of heroin.”
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/
Gotcha Tactics bad ones but no over all plan. No win them over with jobs and development. No replacement crops for poppies (Saffron is grown in Iran and quite expensive) no paying the farmers not to grow drug crops.
And we wonder where the Taliban gets its cash.
Bombing civilians and we wonder where they get their recruits. I think what we have here is a plan for failure.
Editors note from FDL didn’t get published on your url:
So here we go again. If we can’t defeat them, buy them. That has worked out so well in the past.
PS: We can’t afford health care reform ’cause it costs too much.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/troops-in-afghanistan-out_0_n_336096.html
We are losing with more troops in the field fighting longer than we fought in WW2 and costing us lots more money per solder. With these kind of numbers we could do human wave attacks.
anyone check Viceroy Bremer’s bank accounts from the other war?
this stuff costs money:
http://snarla.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/060414_embassy_hmed_3p_hlarge.jpg
I think there is much more that we don’t know about our operations in Afghanistan than that we do know.
And back in the days of British rule on the Indian Subcontinent, the Brits used to pay off the Afghans. They would say we won’t bother you if you won’t bother us, and here is some money for your trouble. This was of course well after the Afghans dealt the Brits one of the greatest massacres in the Empire’s history at Khyber Pass.
The Afghans are used to being paid by foreigners. Afghanistan is not Iraq. Implementation of this policy I think will differ from Iraq in important ways.
Free chicking?
No wonder we don’t have any spare change
Dire Straits
My question is : Is the ink dry on those c-notes as fast as we’re printing them now, unless we outsourced that to China too.
I read “bin Ladens” as meaning the “Bin Laden Construction” group…the large family-run enterprise that did everything from rennovate the Grand Mosque in Mecca and construct half the apartments in Riyadh, to building the network of fortified caves in Southern Afghanistan for the mujahideen to hide out in. How many were mujahideen? How many were involved in other activities? And where is any solid documentation. Did Edmonds make an extra copy of even one cable? She has so much verbal information that she has provided…but is there any independent confirmation that has appeared.
Just like in SE Asia in the 50′s and 60′s.
And the money and profits in all this are laundered, and who KNOWS what the CIA or anyone else does with them. Air America still flies.
In the meantime, like during Iran/Contra, poison is brought into our country to pacify and disable the ghetto’s.
Wonder who’s the Freeway Ricky of our present times.
There are probably many thousands of them by now.
Great read Spencer, and thanks for more Sibel linky Bill Walker.
Well, the CIA is the only way to get development aid to the impoverished past a Republican filibuster.
RE Sibel.
She was not allowed to ‘make copies’ as that might be considered TREASONOUS! She worked for the FBI!!!!
And she’s said all the documentation exists AT the FBI. Only DOJ and DOD and others are suppressing the finding and release of those docs. Still.
Bottom line WRT The Bin Ladens: They were CIA funded, supplied, and run and a cover for our CIA ‘incountry’ operatives. It was like that in SE Asia, it was like that in Iran/Contra, it’s like that with Af/Pak since ’01 or so.
I’m not sure just what it is you are questioning. Proof? You want PROOF the CIA is corrupt, and the US Government and our elected officials from top to bottom don’t know about it? And that this hasn’t been going on since just after WW2?
Hah.
Human waves? Does that even succeed in a conventional conflict any more?
This is a guerilla war…a counter-insurgency. Sheer numbers are insufficienrt to win such conflicts as they are as much about psychology as actual defeats on a “battlefield” (of which there will rarely be one). Insurgencies rarely shift to conventional conflicts until their final stages when the former small, dispersed forces need to take and hold urban areas. The traditional counter-insurgency view is that one needs a 6:1 to 10:1 force advantage for one to stabilize a region and to limit and isolate an insurgency. But it also takes more…a population willing to trust and support the COIN operations rather than shelter insurgents, a trustworthy and trainable local force that lacks corruption, etc.
Eh, I don’t think so.
The CIA is how USAID and USOM has always operated OUTSIDE the public scrutiny of a supposed transparent government.
There’s no Pug Filibustering involved, not in the 50′s, not for Iran/Contra, not now.
This is an equal party covert/black ops arm of our Pentagon/DOD that has pork and perks (and threats, too) for any politicians who support it or know about it behind closed doors of their various senate and house committee’s.
According to Lt. Col. Wilkerson here, they’re not C-notes now, they’re $1000.00 bills.
What’s the bounty on an Afghani taxi driver now-a-days? Or an old man carrying a bag of tomatoes? Or the children of suspected evildoers? And what if those rich poppy buyers offer a higher price?
I am still in touch with friends in Afghanistan. When my friend was studying here in the states on a Fulbright we would talk for hours about the U.S. strategy there. His father a retired Brigadier General there who had fought against the Russians with the Mujahadeen would write his son while he was here studying and ask “does the U.S. want to lose Afghanistan again?” For the life of him he could not understand what the Bush administration was doing when they took their eye off the ball there.
My friend who was in Afghanistan after we invaded said the Taliban were on the run. Said he, his father as well as so many others in that country were in shock when the U.S. invaded Iraq and allowed the Taliban to gain much of the territory back.
We also talked about when the 3000 or more Taliban had surrendered in late fall after the invasion and how at least 2000 were allowed to suffocate in the back of those convoys as they were being transported. Christ can you imagine how that tragedy/massacre of surrendered Taliban spread in that country. Would you want to surrender to Warlord Dostrum or U.S. forces after you heard what a brutal and criminal death those young mens lives came to.
Everyone should watch that documentary CONVOY OF DEATH to know about just what went on. My friend as well as his father would say that the more moderate Taliban could and should be brought to the table. Our leaders seem to be finally coming to the same conclusion. Why the hell does it take them so long to come to such logical conclusions.
There are 60 some Fulbright Scholars from Aghanistan studying here in the states. One would think that their insights would be more than needed..
Also so shocking that only 2% of the money being spent on the war in Afghanistan is making it to the people of Afghanistan. One would think there would be more of a focus on medical supplies, treatment, water filtering systems, farming supplies, subsidies for poppy farmers while they replant orchards of all kinds destroyed by the Russians in that war.
Our media has not even mentioned those young Taliban soldiers who were massacred in the CONVOY OF DEATH. Although Amy Goodman did cover it. You can watch it on line
Hey, didn’t we already pay them for some high value detainees already? Can we an even exchange?
I’m aware that she worked for the FBI. I suspect that what she is doing now (discussing classified material) she was told would be treasonous.
But what you are saying is that she doesn’t have any physical documentation to back up her extensive claims.
Did the CIA fund Afghan rebels since 2001? Of course, the Northern Alliance was extensively supported by them. Is that news? What would be news would be if the CIA continued to fund either al Qaeda (note that even Edmonds doesn’t say that) or the Taliban very much after the fall of the Soviet-backed regime.
Leen, good points.
I must say though, that actually DOING something for the people of Afghanistan or anywhere else abroad USA is involved, is NOT the method of our ops.
We are involved abroad for oil, gas, their distribution routes and methods (roads/pipelines) and access to the DEVELOPMENT of same by our US based multi nationals. And the drug trades and drug routes are a side branch to those ops that generate free cash and untraceable money changing and covert operatives mingling.
That’s how it always has been, and how it is.
Doing something for the population of the countries we’ve become involved in or invaded is not the priority, unless it somehow helps to achieve the goal of letting our multinatioals/military have total control at the highest possible profit margin. Helping the populations is too profit marginal, in the long run.
As it always has been.
The CIA funded Afghan rebels from the 80′s on. Reagan’s Freedom Fighters, you know this.
I’M not saying she doesn’t have documentation, YOU said that.
I merely suggested of COURSE she doesn’t have it, it would be treasonous to have it! The documentation is at the FBI, and needs to be called out by DOJ!
As to her being ‘treasonous’ for revealing what she has, she’d be in prison or dead if that was the case, doncha think? She sure wouldn’t be running free saying it. So, there’s that little bit to consider.
Thanks for your reply.
The points I make are basically out of people in Afghanistan and people who know.
So if our forces are ultimately there for our needs and as you point out not for any real altruistic reasons then go with the thinking of Ayn Rand ‘rational self interest” And if you go for “rational self interest” Then real efforts should be made to stabilize the environment through the means I mentioned. If oil companies etc are trying to get pipelines (I have read this) through parts of Afghanistan then fund getting basic supplies to former farmers of other crops while subsidizing the farmers who make more money selling poppies/opium.
Leen, I agree with what might work to achieve our goals, as you say.
But that’s not how they roll.
Now, why don’t they, we should ask?
Because there’s huge profits involved under the table and above the table, all paid by american taxpayers, by running up government contracts and the longer the chaos is ensued and propogated, the greater the profits!
Ergo, there’s no REASON to want to stabilize things. As long as the Russians, Chinese and Germans and others don’t get full access to the resources and distribution routes, we don’t need to actually GET them and build them, yet. So, in essence, it’s a war of impeding others’ access to the goods and routes (while peak oil and gas ensure rising prices for what remains in the ground), while ringing up huge profits from the government contracts and from the drug trades issues.
That’s how I see it, big business and the military and the government, all profiting one way or another, with or without actually building anything or helping anyone but themselves. And our tax payer dollars funding it.
I gotta run, thanks so much for the thoughts, comments, and replies.
I hope I brought something to the table, I know I got a lot in return, from all of you.
We trudge on for change, hoping we can leave this world a better place than we found it.
Long trudge, though.
DING!
Ha, that is dire and funny at the same time!
“What would be news would be if the CIA continued to fund either al Qaeda (note that even Edmonds doesn’t say that) or the Taliban very much after the fall of the Soviet-backed regime.”
Russ Baker’s “Family of Secrets” describes how GHWB helped spearhead the creation of the Saudi equivalent of the CIA around 1976, after the king of Saudi Arabia was killed by his nephew.
Shortly after this, scions from the Bin Laden family and the dominant banking family (Mahfouz) began doing business with GWB’s best friend and fellow dropout of the National Guard, Bill White.
Some of this Bin Laden money went towards funding GWB’s early business ventures, as we are all well aware.
Less known ventures, as described in “Family of Secrets,” are the CIA connected airplane company that Bill White helped Salim Bin Laden start in the Caman Islands, which sold airplanes to BCCI bank.
George H.W. Bush used to stay with the Bin Ladens on his many business trips over there.
When the CIA was forming the Mujahadeen, the Bin Ladens offered their tallest son to help lead it, and Bush and the CIA accepted it.
Osama actually accompanied GWB business financier Salim bin Laden on international business trips.
The Bush’s and Bin Ladens continued to have overt and covert business partnerships ever since, from the Carlyle Group to the building of US Military barracks in Saudi Arabia.
There is probably so much more that we don’t know, like Trilateral Commission stuff, and the drug trafficking that Sibel Edmonds describes.
GWB shut down an FBI investigation into two Bin Laden brothers living down the street from CIA headquarters in early 2001.
Osama bin Laden was treated at an American hospital in the U.A.E. in July of 2001, where he met with the local head of the CIA.
The residences of every Bin Laden in America were quickly surrounded by the FBI right after the planes hit the towers, and they were all escorted out of the country with military fighter jet cover, without ever being investigated.
Newsweek reported in Dec. 2001 that massive air convoys of ISI planes from Pakistan carried hundreds of top Taliban and Al Queda brass from Northern Afghanistan to Pakistan, as well as members of Bin Laden’s immediate family.
No wonder Bush wasn’t really concerned with Osama Bin Laden in the run-up to Iraq. That family business partner already did everything he was asked to do, and was rewarded with his freedom and whatever financial sum was decided on beforehand.
Any other conclusion, in the face of all that evidence, is delusional, even if the Teevee repeats it over and over again.
Shortly after 9/11 former Pakistani Foreign Secretary Niaz Naik claimed that in July 2001 he was told by senior US officials that a military action to overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan would “take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/26/afghanistan.terrorism4
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/timelinebefore911.html#a072101berlin
Retired Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul on the CIA drug trade in Afghanistan, it’s a great article.
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He recaps what happened after 9/11 and makes some sound guesses about what is really going on there between all of the countries vying to get in on the “Great Game”.
He thinks Israelis are training Gurkas(indians) on the indian border.
He sounds credible to me, and it comports with what I know.
I have seen pictures of dead “fake Taliban” .
The pakistanis identify them by pulling down their pants and checking for circumcision. Apparently Pakistanis are trimmed and indians aren’t.
unbelievably fucked up