Comments on: But To Jeffrey Goldberg, They’re All Just Iranians

By: robspierre

robspierre — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:47:52 +0000

We won’t have any kind of useful relationship with Iran until we stop filtering everything through our policy goals and imagined national interest. Iran is Iran, not “our ally” or “our bulwark against Communism” or “our” anything.

If we had recognized this fact all along, we would have seen that the Shah was out for himself first and Iran second and out for us not at all. Trying to pretend otherwise did nothing but hurt us. We ended up with the worst of all possible outcomes: we never had any real influence over Imperial Iranian policy, yet ordinary Iranians believe we controlled it and blame us for its evils.

By: brendanm

brendanm — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:15:10 +0000

Have you bothered reading anything about Trita Parsi and the attacks on him on this blog or are you just a troll? For fuck’s sake, the controversy is over neocon attacks on Parsi and NIAC for not supporting military intervention and harsh sanctions on Iran! Goldfarb, Goldberg, and other AIPAC allies don’t like the fact that Parsi and NIAC are not another Chalabi and Iraqi National Congress and not allies of the neoconservatives.

Read the goddamn posts before commenting on them, you lazy, ignorant troll!

By: regulararmyfool

regulararmyfool — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:45:04 +0000

Rather amusing to read. Apparently admitting that there is not one neocon who has ever actually worked for a living is taboo. They are all parasites.

Any neocon front man is automatically on the CI lying A’s payroll. Hell, Castro has run Cuba for 50+ years and the CI lying A still pays and protects the “anti” Castro thugs.

Deal with reality, if every single neocon dropped dead tomorrow there would be absolutely no change. They are parasites. They are, also, a tiny tiny tiny fraction of all americans. The only reason that they are not laughed into oblivion is that their lords and masters own all of the propaganda organs. Some fools label these organs as “news.”

Hell, even NPR is a neocon front. Their front person, I think the ombudsman, is calling for more right wingers on NPR. I don’t think there are any people who are not already with the right at NPR. Jeez, what does she want Liz Cheney?

By: Albatross

Albatross — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:37:11 +0000

But a U.S. sponsored overthrow of a legitimate Iranian government worked so well LAST time!

By: BillWalker

BillWalker — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:34:54 +0000

Is it also obvious that Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress were also free of American influence?

Give me supporting evidence for why I should believe that an Iranian American organization which supports the same overthrow in Iran as the Military Industrial Complex and AIPAC, would not be funded by these interests.

Do these Iranian Americans really think that an overthrow in Iran will result in a Utopian democracy in Iran, free of C.I.A., Neocon, and ultimately Israeli influence?

Surely they are not so naive.

Do these Iranian Americans think harsh sanctions against Iran are a good idea? How did that work out in Iraq? 400,000 children died, and Saddam was strengthened. The middle class left the country, and Iraq was ripe for a foreign takeover of the whole country, with a puppet in charge.

So show me why I should believe they are not funded by our Neocon establishment. What information am I ignorant of?

By: brendanm

brendanm — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:12:07 +0000

What are the odds that Trita Parsi’s National Iranian-American Council is on CIA payroll?

Quite small, actually. If you are as well-informed as you think you are, that should be obvious.

By: Teddy Partridge

Teddy Partridge — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:08:10 +0000

Heaven forfend American conservatives back the play of local actors on the ground. Iran: It’s NY23 All Over Again!

By: DavidByron

DavidByron — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:09:26 +0000

Do you consider the Wall Street Journal a reliable source on news concerning enemies of the US?

By: Ann in AZ

Ann in AZ — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:04:45 +0000

Jane has a fresh cross-post for one and all: “Lessons Learned in VA and NJ: Is Rahm Emanuel Orchestrating 2010 Democratic Massacre?”

By: BillWalker

BillWalker — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:43:53 +0000

What are the odds that Trita Parsi’s National Iranian-American Council is on CIA payroll?

“Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources.”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh

Cheney wanted to put U.S. Navy Seals in fake Iranian boats in the Strait of Hormuz, and “start a shootup” to get us into war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdgzPbtF3o

Operation Ajax:
“The CIA operation to overthrow Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was motivated by oil but sold to the public as an attempt to stop the Iranian Communist Tudeh Party.”

“Kermit Roosevelt, assisted by General Schwarzkopf (who had helped to train the Shah’s secret police), used $100,000 in bribe money as well as propaganda leaflets to turn the tide, just when all seemed lost. Police and royalist troops, many on the CIA payroll, gained control of the streets and surrounded the Prime Minister’s heavily fortified residence.”