Matthew Yglesias wonders:
At the intersection of these two arguments is the idea of “no blank check” for Hamid Karzai. How, one naturally wonders, is the check not blank if the President of the United States has defined the mission as serving a vital American interest? If you made the case that the mission is a good idea differently—if you just said we’re obligated to the Afghan people and government to give it a try—then your check has real limits. We’re obligated, but they’re obligated too, and if they don’t meet their obligations we can meet ours so we’ll have to walk away. But that’s not what he said. What he said was “I make this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in Afghanistan and Pakistan . . . [w]e must keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and to do that, we must increase the stability and capacity of our partners in the region.” Insofar as that’s true, then it’s true completely independently of how we feel about the Afghan government, so Afghan government actions have a limited influence on our policy, so whatever checks we write to them are pretty much blank.
I think it’s fair to say that the problem Yglesias identifies can’t be solved within the logic of Obama’s strategy, but it can be mitigated. As my piece reports, the administration is aiming to — well, if not exactly circumvent the Karzai government, say that it has more Afghan partners than just Karzai: “it would aim its military and development assistance down to Afghanistan’s provinces and districts, where Karzai’s influence is relatively tenuous.” Hence the reorientation of development aid from big reconstruction projects — and if you’ve been to Afghanistan and seen the destitution there, you have a sense of how little sense those make — to “immediate impact” projects like agriculture, and particularly irrigation*. And that’s of a piece with the decision to partner with local or tribal militias.
And guess what: that’s extremely problematic. I do not know, and no administration official has credibly explained to me, why Karzai won’t perceive the U.S.’s double game and proceed with commensurate intransigence. But I do know that they’re aware of the problem, and looking toward mitigation. They think that “immediate impact” agriculture happens so rapidly and is so rapidly beneficial that the Afghan government isn’t going to waste time obstructing it, and will instead take credit for partnering with the U.S. to produce it, since that’s in a weak government’s interest. And that in turn creates healthy local connections between outposts of the government in the provinces and district with the populace, with the prospect of a virtuous circle rolling out.
I do not know if it will work. But it strikes me as at least a plausible way to broaden the U.S.-Afghan relationship from just a U.S.-Karzai relationship. And unlike previous administrations, I do not get the sense that the Obama administration or McChrystal’s command sees the approach as stronger or less problematic than it is.
* For an account of how smart Army officers learned not to screw around with Afghan agriculture, see this post.



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Short version: war lords.
That should work out well.
thank you, spencer, for not running around with your hair on fire, as so many who don’t understand the situation do. thanks again.
Is Karzai the most viable non-Talib in Afghanistan right now? What makes him so bad, and are the other options worse?
Today’s Warlords are tomorrow’s Inhofe & Hatch …
Exactly.
No kidding.
Or they’re the House of Saud.
Nah. In Afghanistan they’re real war lords. Imhofe & Hatch as jusst wannabees.
Spencer I’ll be checking with my dear friend who was the young fellow from Afghanistan who getting his masters at Ohio University. He left Ohio a year and a half ago. He is now the director of the Ministry of Counter Narcotics.
We still communicate. I will be asking him about his response to the 30,ooo troop escalation along with asking his father (the retired Brigadier General who fought with the Mujahadeen against the Russians)
Often what I was hearing from both of them about the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan was very similar to what Ambassador Eikenberry and Andrew Bacevich have been saying. More humanitarian funding, more efforts to bring the more moderate Taliban to the table.
Recently I attended a talk at Ohio University where a PhD candidate from Afghanistan (friend of Haroon’s) was sharing his views with a sizable crowd in Athens. Lots of Quakers, older retired Professors and Peace Niks. Folks were relatively informed. This Doctoral candidate was falling in with the opinions of Haroon, the retired Afghan Brigadier General, Andrew Bacevich, Amabssador Eikenberry. Don’t send more troops. Just make sure the funding over there gets to the people.
Ii asked him about how the “Convoy of Death” the transportation of the surrendered Taliban who were allowed to suffocate in late 2001 had effected the remaining Talban. He said that the number of those deaths were closer to 7000 dead. He also said that many people in Afghanistan were extremely pissed off about this massacre and that no one in the U.S. is talking about this massacre of surrendered Taliban.
When Obama turned to look straight in the camera to talk to the people of Afghanistan and told them we are not there to “occupy” their country and then encouraged the Taliban to surrender and that they would be treated fairly. Tough to convince people who have experienced abandonment by the U.S. and not even willing to discuss the massacre of the Taliban who surrendered to forces in late 2001.
I will be asking my friend my questions and yours. Do you have others?
I don’t know the exact answer, but follow it closely enough to have some thoughts. If there were a Karzai alternative, I think we would have heard of him.
More generally, Karzai’s one of the few Pashtuns in the central govt, which, iirc, is largely controlled by former Northern alliance sorts, like Abdullah, Tajiks I think. It is my understanding that the insurgency got momentum because the Pashtuns, the plurality (about 1/3) of the Afghan population, felt their interests were not be well enough represented in the national govt.
No way Afghanistan won’t have another civil war after the U.S. leaves. And it won’t end like the Iraq civil war, as no ethnic group has a large enough percent of the pop to be dominant, unlike the Iraqi shia.
For your amusment, I saw somewhere in the last day or so that the very militant Pastuns view the Tajiks as pansys.
Two great video clips one at blogging heads where Andrew Bacevich and Bill Kristol discuss Afghanistan, Iran,etc.
Also at Democracy Now Amy Goodman interviewed Aram Roston (not sure about the spelling) who had just returned from Afghanistan and reported about who control highway 1 in Afghanistan, drug money, Karzai, and the Taliban
Unable to link
As Nir Rosen said on democracynow this morning, if we stop killing them, they’ll stop killing us.
Unless, at a ratio of 100:1 we think we can dispense with them altogether.
If the strategy is to pacify the country by rebuilding the provincial/local governments, even if the federal govt. is too inept/corrupt to help, then we’re into nation building from the ground up — denying that we’re in that frame is not helpful, yet Obama denies this.
So applying this to Yglesias’ logic, US strategic interests require that we turn Afghnanistan into a viable, non-Taliban governed country, and do so without much expectation of help from its national leadership. You have 18 months, but only 12 with the full compliment of enforcements, at which time the only thing we should expect is another speech that once again fails the test of logic.
Yes, nation building from the ground up is so much easier than from the top down. That should work out well.
The northern alliance had the Taliban on the run in 2001 and 2002. Then the illegal invasion of Iraq. Eye off of Afghanistan. When Haroon was studying here in the states, and I had the privelege of talking with him two to three times a week. I would ask his retired father (Brigadier General) questions via email through Haroon. His father kept saying “the Americans must want to lose Afghanistan again”
He as well as Haroon would always say the only way to deal with the Taliban was to encourage the more moderate Taliban to come to the table. This is close to four or more years ago that they were saying this.
Since then the Taliban numbers have increased.
Most Americans do not even know about the deaths of those surrendered Taliban. What a message to send them. They surrendered, we allowed them to suffocate…what a message
Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann etc have not touched this massacre.
Only Amy Goodman. thank goodness for Amy
Obama would do well to make time to read Three Cups of Tea…and talk to some of those who served in Afghanistan in the Peace Corps over the years.
Oh, wait. No munitions millions to be made in that….
What is Haroon’s ethnic group?
My understanding is that no Afghan central govt will work without heavy participation of Pashtuns, as they are the single largest group. No reason why the Afghans couldn’t have done that without U.S. help; they should know it better than we do. However, the country is so fractured after so many years of war that, like Humpty Dumpty, neither they nor the U.S. can put it together again.
Sink or swim with Ngo Dinh Diem!
And, relative to policy-making, here’s a nifty little troika:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_afghanistan;_ylt=AhAUgkC1bBdxinRDrMrm3I6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJ2NGg4cWlmBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMjAyL3VzX3VzX2FmZ2hhbmlzdGFuBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZ2F0ZXNtdWxsZW5j
This is why so many progressives abandoned Hillary for Obama.
Unfortunately, right about now, it looks like it was a case of tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee.
Obama is just the latest turd passed down the pipe for the public to consume. Afghan is a ZERO on the scale of threats to the US. It’s +1000 on the scale of military industrial profits.
Change you can believe in. Not!
Heh. Hillary sez that under W, State Dept diplomats volunteered for Afghanistan for 6 months because that was the short path to getting a better asignment to, like, Paris.
You can watch it live on cspan3, and should also be available on c-span.org.
Thank you both for a thoughtful assessment as opposed to knee-jerk screeding. My hair was on fire. Just put it out.
Oh Mullins said insurgency is unpopular with Afghan people. But according to Juan Cole that is not the case. Can’t do coin if you don’t understand the situation.
Gates said that U.S. should have a long term partnership for military training with Afghanistan. The camel’s nose peaks out of the tent.
If you actually want to disengage and get out, you have to deal with the folks who actually control different territory in Afghanistan. If Karzai is effectively the “mayor of Kabul” and controls the politics (or responds to the politics) in his tribe, you treat him with the respect that is due for what he actually controls, not what he claims.
And there is no way to avoid dealing with local autocrats (“warlords”) unless you have a secret way of transforming those localities. Eight years says that it was a fools errand from the beginning.
And there is no way to avoid trying to negotiate a political settlement with those localities of Pashtuns wanting autonomy with respect to Kabul, which could be a significant segment of the folks usually labeled with the blanket term “Taliban”.
And any hope of transforming human rights issues has to be dropped. There is not the time and resources to succeed. And any transformation has to come from within the society anyway, a point that Americans often forget even with respect to the transformation of Europe.
Spencer, you have revealed yourself to be quite the neocon in the last couple of days. This is the typical neocon claptrap which respects the sovereignty of other countries, only when it feels like it. So if we don’t like what Karzai does, if he is not sufficiently our man (or puppet), we ignore him. Good job.
She’s right … morale is up significantly at the State Dept. since the change in Admins.
Afghanistan is shipping Pomegranates to India … this is a positive sign. [no snark]
Well, isn’t the point of 3 cups of tea that micro-level community development the way to stop the popularity of extremist elements funded by (for example) the Saudis?
In perhaps a ham handed way, that is what O means by working around the Karzai government.
Why do we need partners in Afghanistan.
Please Mr President explain exactly without use of the word strategic interests of the united states why we have 100,000 in a sovereign nation? If we are not at war with Afghanistan, who are we at war with over there?
Do we have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here?
Why would be be fighting them there if they are not attacking us here?
Can you identify the threat and propose other counter measures aside from landing 100,000 troops in SE Asia?
Do the warlords hate us because we are free?
Oh Hugh, you’re such a stick-in-the-mud. Dontcha know the U.S. knows what’s best for every other country in the world? Just listen to Gates, Mullins & Clinton on cspan3 telling us what’s good for Afghanistan. They know much better than the locals. Hell, Hillary even knows the output of apples & pomegranates. I bet Karzai doesn’t know that. /s
See my 31.
A relationship, even if only small economic one, between Afghanistan and India drives Pakistan nuts. It could be a destablizing element, not a stabilizing one.
India has been a major player in rebuilding Afghanistan, and will continue to play an important role. The really crucial fight I see is between the two factions within the Pakistani Intelligence Agency. Whether Zardari has the brains to win that fight remains to be seen.
Yes, India has been important, which makes me think ISI & Pak military is probably supporting their long-time allies, the Taliban. But I’m just guessing. The relationships are constantly shifting and it’s difficult to get info in real time. It’s only in books, long after the fact, that all the relationships become clear.
hugh, if the afghans (specifically the pashtuns) stopped sheltering the taliban and al qaida elements and let them freely cross over to pakistan and back, and if the pakistan army wasn’t such a bunch of corrupt screwups with taliban sympathisers, i would have run with “imperialist”.
we can’t sit on our hands and hope the crazy mullahs in pakistan see the light before the taliban topples the sitting government (it’s just a matter of time). i do not see this as a war against afghanistan. i see this as a proxy was against pakistan. there’s no way we can directly go into pakistan and there’s no way the pakistan army is going to confront the taliban head-in the “autonomous” ares where the taliban has free run without U.S. “help”.
zardari is history. two days ago he transferred control of the nukes to his PM, who is as opportunist, weak and corrupt as they come.
Wow. The O-team rehearsed their roles well. They are all on the same page and are tag-teaming the senators.
That’s a pretty accurate guess. What changes everything is, bringing the Russians and Chinese on board with these plans and I’d be shocked if Obama hasn’t done so.
Greg Mortenson has a new book, released yesterday. Stones Into Schools: Promoting Peace With Books, Not Bombs.
http://gregmortenson.blogspot.com/
zardari is crisp, charred bread.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/29/pakistan-zardari-nuclear-weapons
Outsider involvement in Afghanistan has done nothing but destabilize the country for decades. What makes you think further outsider involvement won’t make it even worse?
afghanistan is simply a base for cross border ops against pakistan. afghans hate pakistan (atleast the non-pashtuns) and their interference more than even india does.
Question: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the following groups, organizations, or countries?
Fav. Unf.
62% 34% US
43% 52% Iran
19% 67% Taliban
22% 72% Pakistan
Question: Which Of The Following Do You Think Poses The Biggest Danger In Our Country?
41% Taliban
28% Drug Trafficers
22% Local Commanders
4% US
2% Current Afghan Government
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/Programs/FP/afghanistan%20index/index.pdf
my post at dkos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/1/809638/-Ive-experienced-terrorism-and-I-support-the-President.-
Oh dear, Webb is challenging the universally agreed notion that the insurgency is unpopular & is doing it with evidence & details. How dare he.
Mullins assures that all his officers are telling him that the people don’t like the Taliban.
eCahn, have you read 3 Cups of Tea?
Yes.
Coming from India, you look at the conflict thru a certain lens. The situation, however, has many lenses. And the Paks, who you hate, get a vote.
So do you think that Greg Mortenson is right about community development projects being the way to meaningful change? It sounds like you are very much against any efforts of that kind.
BTW: You won the drinking word game last night. 9/11 right off the bat. I, on the other hand, humiliated myself with another prediction proved wrong. Swear to God, any prediction I make ensures the opposite will happen.
sure the pakistanis get a vote. and no, i don’t hate them. many of them hate their army and the mullahs as much as i do.
The difference I see between Mortensen’s work and what the U.S. govt can do is that he is so intimately involved with the locals that they own the projects. The U.S. coming in & building schools (esp ones where sewage leaks on the desks) represents outsiders telling them what to do and demonstrating that they don’t know how & what to do for themselves. It’s not only disempowering, it’s humiliating.
The tribal areas comprise a tiny portion of Pakistan’s 166 million population less than 6 million. Do the math.
but that’s where the american offensive is aimed. interestingly, the taliban leadership has moved base to karachi.
http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSISL5193
and of late, there have been more attacks on the “mainland” – the heart of punjab and sindh.
I admit that I have the same reservations about US involvement. That’s what I mean by O’s approach being a bit ham handed. I am hoping that the US civilian involvement–which is more enlightened than the military–will at least mitigate the some of the problem with empire-style development.
Nation building is bad, mostly. Development is good.
If you listen to Hillary’s live testimony, she’s the best Wellesley has to offer on getting it done. (Wellesley alum are characterized as detail-oriented workaholics.) So it’s the test of all tests. If Hillary can’t do it, it can’t be done.
Jane has a fresh cross-post already in progress that some may want to join: “Announcing One Voice For Choice”
Senator Lemieux … didn’t he play for the Pittsboigh Penguins ?
Never heard of him before. Where did he come from?
In the brief time I wasted watching CNN, Ware & Zakaria smacked around a few of the regular Pundits.
Zakaria said something to the effect that squeaky clean Pols never get anything done, success depends on how good you are at making deals.
IMO the surge of State Department civilians was the bright spot last night. But then I’ve been whining about Afghanistan and development since, oh ’bout 1994 or 1995. Spent some time near the Turkmenistan/Afghan border during the time that the Taliban took Kabul. One of my student’s father was a soviet general during that war, and I heard a a little bit about Afghanistan.
Edit: Actually, I wasn’t near the border, I was in Ashgabat…which just feels like the end of the earth.
Apparently, the Sunshine State …
Where were you & what were you doing? Sounds like a pretty exciting place to be at that time.
Yes. I was just reading his wiki. He was the one Christ appointed to replace Martinez. I’d forgotten about that & never focused on who the person actually was. Apparently he never played for the Penguins. *g*
Christ is Governor of Florida ? *g*
Ashgabat, the capital of Turkmenistan, teaching English to flight attendants of the former Aeroflot airlines newly charged to Turkmenistan. It was quite peaceful, actually, and not nearly as exciting as it sounds. I lived vicariously by watching tv.
Yeah, I noticed that after I posted but resisted the urge to edit because I thought the typo was mildly amusing.
I thought you intentionally misspelled his name … his peeps will nail him to a Cross if he runs for POTUS.
But exotic, no? Do you speak Russian or whatever the language is in Turmenistan?
I had a former research assistant who saved up enough money to take 6 months off & traveled all thru central Asia. That must have been late 80s, and her travels included Afghanistan. I knew nothing about that part of the world back then so I could ask no intelligent questions. All she said about Afghanistan is that she kept her arms, legs, and head covered. I’m out of touch with her, but I think back and just wonder.
So there. My fingers must have typed a freudian slip. (BTW that is a good Halloween costume for a woman.)
Gates coined “unholy alliance” as Af-Pak Taliban & AQ. Be afraid, be very afraid. They’re gonna destabilize Pak, and then they’re coming to get YOU. Global extremist jihad lives there.
Some friends of mine passed through Peshawar, on a mercy mission recently.
They were scared out of their minds that the young woman would not make it through. It’s difficult to grasp unless you experience it first hand.
Why does Collins talk so funny? Is she on meds for Parkinsons?
One really big advantage to PBO having Gates/Petraeus/Odierno/Mullen/McChrystal as his front men is, the Repugs are tiptoeing through the Q & A.
In my younger days I would have loved it. Was a bit of an adrenaline junkie. Not any more.
Yes, I noticed that. O seems to have satisfied the extreme right.
Well that was the most exotic place I ever lived/worked in that it was really a place no one really knows (“Ashgabat? Is that in Texas?” Ha!) It was surprisingly unexotic in many ways…chock a block soviet architecture, completely westernized in many, many ways. However, going to the market was quite an experience. Camels roam like dairy cows. Turkmen in local dress. I’m sure it is entirely different now.
And no, I never learned more than the most basic Russian. It’s a very difficult language to learn with all the cases, etc. It’s like trying to learn latin.
Hillary, like the drunk at the party, sez if we talk to Karzai one more time and a little bit louder, surely he will understand.
WOW … HRC goes out on the Limb to back Karzai !
unfortunately, gates is right, though his motives may be suspect.
there are hundreds of “foreign fighters” (uzbeks and arabs) in the NWFP, and there has been ethnic cleansing of shias who’ve become refugees in peshawar. the shia-sunni civil war in pakistan is fuelled to a large extent by the taliban and assorted extremist groups.
Just finished reading Afghanistan’s Endless Wars by Goodson. Most of the book covers the Afghanistan history during the 1970s, 80s, and 90s. He makes it sound like Soviets wanted exactly the same thing for Afghanistan as you found in Turkmenistan. Fully expected to roll it into the Union when the transformation was complete.
Sounds like a Soviet version of how the U.S. transforms its sphere of influence with MacDonalds, Coke and malls.
I don’t doubt that. I just wonder two things: is it really U.S. business, and is the military approach the right one.
Oh, Hillary just had a great phrase: some smaller U.S. allies have punched way above their weight.
is it really our business?
yes, as long as al qaida is plotting against us.
is the military approach the right one?
i’m not sure.
is it the right approach when you’re throwing billions at them without accounting for how it’s spent and when you know part of it may be going to the taliban?
hell no.
Mullins sez it will take a Friedman Unit to get the 30,000 surge into Afghanistan. Can’t to hear how many more FUs they’ll need when they testify then.
Yep. Turkmenistan was about as Turkmen as say, Beijing was Chinese years ago. Disturbingly cleansed of its native culture and homogonized. Yeah, the soviets would have developed, but at what cost? Just like the US will try to develop, but at what cost?
Do you have any idea what O was talking about last night when he said they’d just disrupted a plot in the U.S. that was hatched over there?
Oh us lefties just want the local costumes & culture to be in place when we tourist abroad. Kinda like a real life Disneyland.
I take your point, but there are no other models that I know of.
Wow. The Rs are being real puppy dogs this morning.
Pashtun.
Anyone have the link to how Hillary and team responded this morning? Missed it.
And the antiwar voices were completely absent from the hearing, AGAIN.
this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091119/ap_on_re_us/us_chicago_terrorism_charges_4
note: messages sent before the mumbai attacks last year spoke of this being just the “trailer”.
The hearing is still on cspan3 and c-span.org. I’ve been watching the hearing so I don’t know what articles have been written or sound bites played.
Why not. If Obama’s efforts in Afghanistan fail. Good chance for them in 2012. They seem to be able to have it all ways. Create the mess in Afghanistan by checking out of Afghanistan in 2003 allowing the Taliban to regain control. All of this falls in the lap of this administration to clean up.
What a deal. Just sit back and watch this admnistration grovel or actively undermine like Darth Cheeeeney.
I thought O said something about an attack in the U.S. but I could have heard wrong. It could be the one you linked.
Thanks
But if they were pit bulls, and O failed, they could have said I told you so. And if O succeeded, they could have taken credit for it by way of their vigorous oversight. Besides which, I haven’t seen such civil language from the Rs in a long long time.
Haroon had talked a great deal about finding legal outlets (medical) for the poppy crop. Also subsidizing poppy farmers for 5 years plus so that pomegrante, apricot, almond etc orchards are replanted (destroyed during the war with Russia).
Just can not figure out how they think they will seduce Taliban members to surrender without acknowledging the massacre of the surrendered Taliban in 2001. Why the hell would you surrender knowing about those Taliban who had surrendered in 2001
from that link
Kirk questions Karzai as a partner. He calls Hillary on her support.
at NPR
Drug Addiction, And Misery, Increase In Afghanistan
April 16, 2009
A growing number of Afghans — including children — are escaping the pain of war and poverty by using opium or heroin, for as little as a dollar a day.
A United Nations survey begun this month is widely expected to show that at least 1 in 12 people in Afghanistan abuses drugs — double the number in the last survey four years ago.
Experts say that the alarming trend is not being addressed by the Afghan government and its international partners, even though most officials acknowledge that the drug scourge threatens lasting stability in Afghanistan.
Many of the addicts, especially the women, feed their habit in secret, inside walled, mud-floor family compounds.
An Afghan Mother Hooked
One addict, a woman named Karima, shares her home with her addicted parents and other relatives in a poor hillside neighborhood in Kabul. Local drug counselors say the neighborhood is home to thousands of addicts.
I’ve never read this anywhere, but it is my hypothesis that the U.S. phrma corps prevent the use of the cheaper, better heroine painkiller so that they can earn gigantic profits from their more engineered, less effective, more side effects patented products.
What’s the difference in the water needs of poppies vs other crops? I have read that the irrigation system has been almost completely destroyed.
Hillary sez that Karzai went to seed under W admin, but O admin knows how to get him to do what U.S. wants.
You knew this had to happen. I’d certainlhy be hooked if I were living there.
Have they addressed the rise of Heroin use in Afghanistan over the last eight years or more? Have they talked about clinics for addiction?
Afghanistan: Authorities Say Heroin Use Appears To Be Rising
March 09, 2005
Most of the heroin linked to Afghanistan’s soaring poppy cultivation is smuggled abroad, ending up as far away as Europe and the United States. But in Badakhshan, near Afghanistan’s northeastern border with Tajikistan, aid workers say the number of Afghan addicts is increasing at an alarming rate. Provincial officials elsewhere also are sounding warnings about rising heroin addiction.
Prague, 9 March 2005 (RFE/RL) — Crouched near a stone wall in northeastern Afghanistan, 35-year-old Abdul performs a daily ritual that he calls “chasing the dragon.” He heats a small pile of heroin on a piece of foil and draws the smoke into his lungs through a glass tube.
He smiles with bleary eyes as he explains that the heroin he just bought is of “high quality.” It took Abdul about five minutes to find 1 gram of the illegal drug at a marketplace in Faisabad. Although that amount of heroin costs up to $300 outside of Afghanistan, Abdul paid about $6.
UN officials say the availability of cheap heroin is one reason the number of Afghan addicts is growing. There are no statistics on the number of laboratories in Afghanistan that produce the white heroin granules from opium poppies. But the UN Office on Drugs and Crime says they appear to be on the rise.
Mullins admits that borders a tough to seal, and Af-Pak is more difficult than most. Probably the most accurate statement in the whole hearings.
I think that the U.S. helped build some dams that helped the poppy industry grow by being able to access this damned water. Forget the name of the dams
Toward the beginning, Hillary reported a increase in exports of Afghan apples and pomegranates to India. That’s about it.
The law of the unintended outcome reigns supreme.
Just wonder when they will have a panel made up of Professor Juan Cole, Andrew Bacevich, and bring on the 60 some students from Afghanistan who are studying here in the states on Fulbright scholarships.
Three years back I tried hard to get Diane Rehm to have some of these students on her program instead of some American woman who had opened up a fucking beauty parlor in Kabul. Absurd
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They seem to be forgetting that those who used planes as weapons were from Saudi Arabia. Anyone here anything about this coming up?
Coming to think of it, I picked up somewhere else that all drug eradication efforts had been halted as they did a lot of short term harm, being the only source of income for the farmers. And there doesn’t seem to be any other anti-poppy plan other than eradication. So it is no longer discussed.
Not only were they from Saudi Arabia, most of the planning was done in Hamburg and the U.S.
Have you noticed: we now have good Taliban (the reconcilable ones) and bad Taliban?
When the hell are they ever going to bring up the SURRENDERED Taliban who were allowed to suffocate in those containers? Why the hell would you want to SURRENDER to the occupying forces when this was allowed to happen and then not talked about in the states AT ALL.
Gates “the Taliban are clever” Christ all mighty talk about the deaths of those surrendered Taliban and admit this was a disaster a tragedy instead of sweeping the Convoy of Death under the rug
I’ll bet you a billion dollars that that incident will never be talked about by any administration nor news medium.
The U.S. is so never leaving Afghanistan for fear of the Taliban.
Hillary “gone after it differently from the beginning” Then Hillary mentions taking out leaders in Al Queda and Taliban.
If I were a Taliban member and heard Hillary, Gates etc never mentioning the SURRENDERED Taliban and the tragedy that took place..it would infuriate me. Allow these moslty young men to suffocate and then ignore it. The American people are in the dark about this tragedy.
Amy Goodman is the only one who covered this issue. The “Afghan Massacre: Convoy of Death” should be shown all over this country. I have been able to bring this issue up on the Diane Rehm show, Washington Journal and other outlets.
Hearing over. Gonna clean ashes out of wood stove & fix lunch.
Medea Benjaman, Gayle, speaking out
Just wonder what kind of Cultural training our soldiers receive before their trips to Afghanistan?
Wonder if any of the Afghan Fulbright scholars studying here in the states are tapped for this training?
He looked into the eyes of Kabul and addressed the afghan people? – wtf???
Gates today: “Put simply, the Taliban and al Qaeda have become symbiotic, each benefiting from the success and mythology of the other. Al Qaeda leaders have stated this explicitly and repeatedly.”
Apparently, we’re sending 30,000 specialists in anti-mythology warfare.
I went looking for stories of serving troops, for a prospective. Found this (pdf). Interesting story of the tribes and some attempts of winning them over:
http://blog.stevenpressfield.com/wp-content/themes/stevenpressfield/one_tribe_at_a_time.pdf
Constructing a Central Government in Afghanistan may be a pipe dream.
the Afghan government … will instead take credit for partnering with the U.S. to produce it, since that’s in a weak government’s interest. And that in turn creates healthy local connections between outposts of the government in the provinces and district with the populace, with the prospect of a virtuous circle rolling out.
Insert pony here.
The internal affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan and elsewhere are none of our business. End US imperial busybodying in the third world. It is all evil, period.