Perhaps the greatest tension between the local and global levels of the jihad grows out of a divide over appropriate targets and tactics. Classical Islamic legal doctrine sees armed jihad as a defensive struggle against persecution, oppression, and incursions into Muslim lands. In an attempt to mobilize Muslims around the world to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, Abdallah Azzam, an influential radical cleric who was assassinated in 1989, helped expand the doctrine of jihad into a transnational struggle by declaring the Afghan jihad an individual duty for all Muslims. Azzam also advocated takfir, a practice of designating fellow Muslims as infidels (kaffir) by remote excommunication in order to justify their slaughter. Al Qaeda ideologues upped the aggressive potential of such arguments and expanded the defensive jihad into a global struggle, effectively blurring the line between the “near” enemy—the Arab regimes deemed illegitimate “apostates” by the purists—and the “far” enemy, these regimes’ Western supporters.
In the remote areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan that produce many of today’s radicals, however, local and tribal affiliations are powerful. One U.S. political adviser who worked in Afghanistan’s Zabul Province, a hotbed of the insurgency, describes prevailing local sentiment as “valleyism” rather than nationalism [Rid refers to Matthew Hoh, in case you were wondering]. It is a force that drives the tribes to oppose anybody who threatens their traditional power base, foreign or not—a problem not just for the Taliban and Al Qaeda but for any Afghan government. Al-Zawahiri complained of this in a Even the students (talib) themselves had stronger affiliations to their tribes and villages . . . than to the Islamic emirate.” The provincial valleyists, to the distress of Al Qaeda’s more cosmopolitan agitators, are selfishly eyeing their own interests, with little appetite for international aggression and globe-spanning terrorist operations.
It never ceases to amaze me that in our political discourse, strains of analysis that highlight how massively screwed our adversaries are get described as “defeatist.” It does not follow from Rid’s analysis that the U.S. should kick back and do nothing while al-Qaeda implodes. But it does follow that the U.S. shouldn’t do anything that collapses al-Qaeda’s internal fissures and its fissures with its ostensible allies. That means no racial profiling at airports. I would contend it also means, somewhat counterintuitively, counterinsurgency in Afghanistan, worried as I am about the risks of accidental-guerrilla-creation.
Anyway, I could quote from Rid’s paper endlessly, so I’ll end this post in a second and you should read the whole thing. But I love this point of his:
[T]he global Al Qaeda movement is encountering strong centrifugal forces. The rank and file and the center are losing touch with each other. The vision of Abu Mus’ab al-Suri, who laid much of the ideological foundation for Al Qaeda’s global jihad, blends a Marxist-inspired focus on popular mass support with 21st-century ideas of networked, individual action. Al-Suri’s aim was to devise a method “for transforming excellent individual initiatives, performed over the past decades, from emotional pulse beats and scattered reactions into a phenomenon which is guided and utilized, and whereby the project of jihad is advanced so that it becomes the Islamic Nation’s battle, and not a struggle of an elite.” The global jihad was to function like an “operative system,” without vulnerable, old-fashioned organizational hierarchies. That method is intuitively attractive for a Facebook generation of well-connected young sympathizers, but the theory contains an internal contradiction. Self-recruited and “homegrown” terrorists present a wicked problem for Al Qaeda. As a bizarre type of self-appointed elite, they undermine the movement’s ambition to represent the Muslim “masses.”



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Potent, precisely. And diminished. And with an exact level of capability that is not knowable to us until it is demonstrated.
Refreshing to hear from someone who actually studies AQ instead of spouting war talking points.
This just can’t be true. How would the TV cable “news” shows fill up their air time?
Hey Spencer, how come I can’t stop thinking about the David Bowie song “Panic in Detroit?” From Alladin Sane. You sir, are one Cheeky Monkey
We find it real hard to win if we don’t understand our enemies. However we might not go to war if we understand them the Bush/Obama view is that going to war is more important than winning the war.
OT has anyone read Confucius or Mencius and thought they were commenters on blogs who went back in time the writing style and wide rage of topics suggests a blog atmosphere like late late nite.
I think we could do a movie?
My wingnut son agrees with the neocons that the way you instill respect for yourself is to take a country and fling it against the wall every so often. That is not the way I attempted to get him to respect me, but my more peaceful methods didn’t work either.
That certainly seems like blogs. *g*
Interesting can anyone expand on that point?
My wild-ass guess would be that it is something akin to the problems mainstreet liberals have with people like Earth First! and PETA.
Local recruits are more interested in local issues than in joining a jihad against the “far” enemy, the U.S. Abdullah Azzam was the ringleader in trying to blur the distinction, and OBL was a pupil of AA. The near enemy was for the original Islamic jihadist, which originated in Egypt (Sayyid Qutb), were the secular dictators who ruled Islamic countries. The point that Ackerman is stressing is that for these Taliban who live in mountain valleys, the “near” enemy is just the guys in the next valley. Can’t use them for cannon fodder in an international jihad. Just ain’t interested.
Here’s another example:
… does that help clarify the concept? :)
My mom had anger problems she would go off every now and then because she had to with no warning yet I still ended up the way I am. I’m thinking Authoritarianism might not be environment it might have a genetic component.
I use to get respect from my coworkers by working hard and as a manager at a fast food joint I would offer workers a choice clean the lobby or do clean the bathrooms I of course would do whatever job they did not want to do.
I had one girl volunteer to work a shift but when she found out I was leaving she changed her mind. Workers that like and respect you will work harder for you.
Machiavelli said if you have to choose between love and fear pick fear.
I think how we can better and more often choose love and respect might have been a better subject for leaders to read up on.
I think you might be right this point needs to be looked at more though.
Think globally act locally types arguing with act globally screw the locals. This sounds like the Lefty blogs vs the Bush/Obama bank bailout. This sounds like Ossama has his own Rahm screwing his local terror roots. I finally think we might win.
Not by our own efforts but by al Quieda loosing control of the terror roots. The next question is will America keep angering the terror roots stupidly?
Lee Atwater or Karl Rove could have written that. This is the difference between a “conspiracy”, and “like-minded individuals acting in concert.”
I think it’s a crapshoot.
… ultimately al-Qaeda is doomed
by its lack of appeal to Muslim aspirations and interestsbecause funding from Langley is drying up.Yes you clarify things very well specific examples are needed to buttress the idea but I like your working theory.
I think it works better than anything I have heard from the experts on the news.
As was the case with communism, the U.S. is of course going to win, even if the U.S. does nothing. Or maybe quicker if the U.S. does nothing. The other “system” has nothing going for it, will fail of its own accord. Spencer’s piece is just one illustration of that general principle.
I think the analogies with what’s happening organically in the jihad movement and the political situation in the U.S. are not only stretched, they are mostly offbase entirely. Don’t be so politically narcissistic.
To understand Ossama we look at Lee Atwater then Ossama needs people to be unhappy and he points them to an enemy. The failure of many of the Arab states to provide a better standard of living for the masses then means Ossama could win big if the world’s economy gets worse.
Or the Arab states don’t improve living standards for the masses. I am really liking the ideas on this thread.
Seems like a dictionary read of the definitions of respect as both noun and transitive verb-at the very least- is needed by your son; what he is referencing is fear.
“ALLAN NAIRN: Well, the machine. The US spends about half of all—almost half of all the military spending in the entire world, equal to virtually all the other countries combined. More than half of the weapons sold in the world are sold by the United States. The US has more than 700 military bases scattered across dozens of countries. The US is the world’s leading trainer of paramilitaries. The US has a series of courses, from interrogators to generals, that have graduated military people guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity in dozens upon dozens of countries. The US has a series of covert paramilitary forces of its own that get almost no attention. For example, right now in Iran, there are covert US paramilitaries attacking Iran from within, authorized by secret executive order. This was briefly reported, but it dropped from notice. In addition to that, there are the open attacks, the open bombings and invasions. Just in the recent period, the US has done this to Iran—to, I’m sorry, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Kenya. Currently in the Philippines, there are US troops in action in the south. And you could go on. This is the machine.”
From here
Such is why I don’t subscribe to the idea that policy makers awareness of what is described by Rid will make any difference. Especially in the CMM.
As I typed in 21, I think those kinds of ideas are bogus. WTF makes you think OBL is like Lee Atwater? Really.
The oil rich Arab nations are unstable can America call it a win if oil prices go up? I agree they won’t destroy us a few terror attacks yes.
However al Quieda will call it a win if we leave Iraq and Afghanistan like we left Viet Nam. Honestly I can’t argue with that however unless Ossama finds several million tons of gold well even if Ossama takes over all of Arabia he still has to sell us oil.
Otherwise Arab living standards will drop allot lower.
Potent?
If, on a scale from, say, 1 to 100, the threat posed by the Nazis and the Japanese was a 90 and the threat posed by the Communists was a 70, what is the threat posed by Al Qaeda and Islamists—a 2 perhaps?
No, not even that. The “threat” here is complete bullshit. Just as calling it a “war against terror” is complete bullshit.
Al Qaeda is dangerous to those who, unfortunately, are in the wrong place at the wrong time when they do terrible things. And, admittedly, there is no way anyone will ever convince their loved ones this is not the war to end all wars. But they represent a teeny, tiny fraction of us. As a threat to America’s “national security”, Al Qaeda is miniscule beyond calculatuing. Far more Americans will die being sent to places like Iraq and Afghanistan to fight them than will ever be killed by them. And the reactionaries will do far more damage to our “way of life” reacting to them than they will ever inflict themselves. Day by the day the national security police state is being erected to shred the Constitution line by line.
This is about using Al Qaeda as the bogeyman to scare Americans into pouring hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars into America’s perpetual war economy.
The other night I re-named Siun “Siun Tzu.”
My point was basically, take out a bunch of the oxygen from this fire:
- Defund Israel completely
- Declare peace and withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan toute suite
What would result is total confusion on the Jihadi front. I mean, they couldn’t blame the US for their local regime’s bad behavior anymore.
Of course, the US won’t do this.
I maybe wrong but this theory works better than anything else I’ve heard. Feel free point out where you think the theory fails we don’t get better ideas if we don’t knock out the weak ones.
I think the tools of power are the same regardless of who uses them, and that the problems of uniting diverse, widespread peoples behind one cause are likewise similar, whether the strategist be al-Qaeda, American, or anyone else.
I’ll try to be less narcissistic. :)
Yes, my son and the neocons think fear=respect.
And yes, there’s no way that the U.S. will ever “understand” the enemy, for all the reasons you cite and many more.
Listened to a 2 hour panel on Afghanistan a couple of days ago. Bruce Ridel from Brookings was on it, and he apparently advised O during the transition. He’s completely nuts. Thinks the U.S. has to do “region building” (i.e. Pakistan), as nation building is just not sufficient, and other nutzoid ideas. Anyhooo, they all went on for 1 hour 20 minutes until an audience member asked why they hate us. And the panel got it wrong. Not a single member said they are killing us because we killed them first.
one reason the most recent ‘detroit bomber’ event was informative
U.S. oil companies call it a win if oil prices go up, yes. That’s all that matters to the political whores of the oil corps.
The Southern Strategy trade the word American for Black, Ossama got funds from Saudi state supported churches the GOP got support from Fundy churches.
Women should not be educated or you get Feminazis.
Private Religious Shira Charter Schools Schools should be mandatory! No money for public schools in the Stimulus! No Money for Birth Control in the Healthcare bill! No abortion!
This is a religious country founded by Christians Muslims we should live like it under Sharia Bible law.
Global Warming is a myth spread by liberal Jews/Zionists designed to hurt our Saudi Friends after all where would Bush and the Taliban be without Ossama and his Saudi friends money.
Its so hard to tell the Taliban position on issues from the GOP’s
I wrote that comment awhile ago our fundies on the issues are allot like Osama the ATF bombing shows they also think the same violence is the answer.
AQ killed 3000. U.S. has killed millions of innocent civilians. Which is the dangerous terrorist.
Agreed deny Ossama an enemy he should fade fast.
It falls short before it even gets started because you don’t know enough to analogize OBL with Lee Atwater. Doesn’t pass the giggle test. Besides, don’t know how you learn more about domestic situation by analogizing it with a distant situation about which we know very little. Completely illogical.
Right. Another list of useless hortatories.
See our elite thinks like Ossama they just have more weapons. I think if we leave we choose a better path Obama needs an enemy to keep the war contractors happy. Ossama needs an enemy or most of his troops go home and funding dries up.
:)
I gotta box full. Has some unicorns and ponies in it too.
In local or global politics as well as in commerce and other human affairs there is a general rule: when one runs amok (from insanity or power) the others (if they are at all capable) will form a short-term alliance and restore an order.
Shanghai has decided Wall St. is a bit too much.
Lots of people felt it worth the risk to take down al Qaeda.
The shmo who robs a convenience store is caught by OUR police.
If Iran builds a nuke they will discover Russia will not be a blood ally.
If Israel uses a nuke they will find enemies they never expected.
Even al Qaeda might be surprised by how little their “brothers” help them.
Nobody dared touch Bush except some Americans who have chosen to go about it very carefully and now that he’s out of power the public has less interest.
These are only a few examples.
Power is power like rivers it follows the course of least resistance to keep power where you want it politicians create dams to store up the power like war.
War is a dam that gives Obama and Osama more power to do whatever they want, until the netroots or terror roots start to complain their concerns are being neglected.
So fundies have problems with women being independent. So what does that tell you. But you are having fun, so don’t let me rain on your parade.
This should be a diary.
Think of the independence of the teabaggers who don’t march in lock-step to the Republican leadership. Remember how Newt got kicked out?
Hillary reintroduced me to the word hortatory. She used it very effectively in a scornful way in some hearing, forgotten what it was about. I’ve been using it as much as possible ever since.
I have to disagree. I believe our elite to be cynical, self-serving thugs who will say or do anything, whereas I don’t believe Osama is cynical; my impression is that he truly believes everything he says, and that his sincerity is a large part of why no one has collected that 25 million$ reward yet.
A single article or even several are no proof of anything. Although the post seems reasonable, it may still be totally wishful thinking. The post adds out of the blue being against racial profiling; everyone should be. Yet, you can reasonably investigate more thoroughly young Muslims without getting to be racial. Therefore, that statement in the post is simplistic and not very helpful. Racism is an attitude not serious investigation.
It’s a data point, but not one that alone lets us peg their capabilities.
Or, bluntly, how the hell does anyone know how the hell OBL thinks? We don’t even know for sure how U.S. elite think, though we project plenty of our thinking and speculation on them.
Yes, and concur.
But those generally look to be balancing/corrective actions to the status quo.
I think what TCU is after is a change in the status.
We can bark about tactics forever. It’s the strategy within a new frame of reference that is lacking, as there’s no new frame for reference.
Vision! Since it belongs to dreamers, unconnected to makers-of-things-that-actually-happen, it remains an hallucination, rather than a goal.
But Spencer does a very good job of undermining the frame of the status quo. (Applause!)
Your main objection is we don’t know enough about Ossama to prove this theory right is still valid. Think of my comments like Sci Fi speculation about the future. Sometimes the Sci Fi people writing fantasy do get things right because they think about the future so much.
Dick Tracy with his 2 way wrist radio sounds like a cell phone to me. Myth Busters had a show about a Chinese Man who went to the moon with rockets tied to a chair.
The details are not perfect. We I admit maybe totally wrong but until we get some real information I would rather speculate and keep interest alive in understanding al Quieda rather than listen to Darth who thinks understanding our enemies is useless.
I’ll pick Sun Tze over Darth any day. Gotta run library is going to close soon.
How?
And since a very small % of young Muslim [males] are actually terrorists, could you please elaborate on why spending resources on investigating all of them might be more productive than spending the same resources on, say, actual people who you have reason to believe are, like, actual terrorists?
Instead of speculating, I’d rather look at the evidence that we do know and try to form reasonable conclusions from it.
What difference did it make to know Tracy’s phone would be a cell phone until there were cell phones? Did it give you a leg up on anything you otherwise needed to know?
I did not put anything forward as a fact that I knew, simply impressions and beliefs. I don’t know; therefore, I try to operate on the model that seems to best fit my observations, which will be instantly revised when I get more and better information.
I prefer to avoid speculating on other people’s state of mind and motivations and concentrate on their actions. Question of where to focus to be productive. Not that I always live up to that standard.
Sometimes all you have to do is ask a person what his motives are. bin Laden and other aQ have said they hate us for occupying the Middle East and helping Israel remain as well. Seems pretty clear.
Still, aQ didn’t attack us until after we helped some mujahideen fight off the Soviets in Afghanistan. I would guess something happened in the 1980s which inspired them to turn on us. Since Republicans were largely in charge and there were plans to build a pipeline through Afghanistan they may have felt it would challenge their ability to maintain control of their fantasy religious state.
The record already shows there were negotiations on the pipeline deal which broke down about 9/9/01 and one of the main leaders in Afghanistan was almost immediately killed and 9/11 happened here. It looks like a straight-line connection. But then, they were told they would accept a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs, so it appears our side had a plan (already prepared) to blow ‘em out of the water.
Who caused the negotiations to break down and why would be the issue of an interesting investigative journalistic report.
It isn’t always obvious. Remember that before the first Gulf War Saddam Hussein asked our local person to ask Bush how he felt on intrastate wars and our side first said, “We have no position.” and then Bush started the war and said, “This aggression shall not stand.” Who knows what starts these things?
Maybe there’s just a good cover story and rationale or maybe there are real problems with negotiations. It’s a mystery for now because the press is not doing it’s job very well.
…the definition of speculation, though it be extremely well-informed. I would also argue that consistent action implies a fairly consistent state of mind.
Sometimes to swing an arm in one direction you must swing the other arm in another direction to maintain balance. Try running with one arm at your side. Try walking with one leg.
The path of least resistance isn’t one which is often productive.
Interesting. Sounds like AQ’s ultimate vision is to nurture a decentralized global resistance network that at the outer reaches can act on their own. Taliban tribes however may have their own strongly ingrained local motives and tactics for fighting. Question is whether, far away from AfPak or even the Middle East, AQ can recruit and embed its resistance locally in places like Britain and North America. They appear to have the ambition though they’ve been largely thwarted to date.
Cynthia Kouril is upstairs!
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I have no trouble taking people at their word on their motivation, if their actions comport with their words. OBL has been reasonably consistent between his words & his behavior.
But there is a deeper meaning of motivation that I was trying to get at in some of my comments above. Sure OBL is reacting for all the reasons he gives. But what motivated him to choose his particular form of reaction? He could have done a Ghandi, to choose a completely opposite possibility as a reaction to his grievances.
I think you are right on both your counts that AQ has clearly stated its reasons for attacking the US and also that what caused them to turn on the US was the US design on Caspian Sea oil and gas pipelines through Afghanistan.
I fail to follow this post in any way. The claim seems to be that AQ is weak within and not that much of a threat to the US and that moreover it’s message is no longer appealing to Muslim youth and does not extend beyond provincial interests. Not only that but that the campaign against Afghnaistan should continue?
That’s quite a mouthful of claims. But I fail to see that any of these assertations comport with reality.
AQ and KSM to take just one example have been clear that the Israeli onslaught against the Palestinian population is a main reason for their hatred of the US and a reason for their mission to exact retribution. Now this rationale may not sit well with those that choose to exculpate Israel but it does nothing to remove it as a potent and not unreasonable motivation for a Jihad response by AQ.
Somehow we are supposed to disregard the stated reasons which AQ gives for its campaign against the US and instead say that their true motivation lies who knows where or nowhere at all?
One last point of correction to this post. The Mujahadeen struggle against the Russians was instigated by the US. The then Afghan government invited the Russian troops in and was sympathetic to Russia. While there the Rssian presence also accomplished some wood works among the Afghan society. It was the US that exploited the opportunity of the Russian presence to lay down what Brzezinski called the “Afghan trap”.
Does everyone here really believe Osama is still alive and we have no clue where he is? I would more believe Butto than our spin doctors. But I guess if we had no enemy, how much harder would it be to justify a war?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uLdmct8_E&feature=related
” a not unreasonable motivation for a Jihad response by AQ.”
was that intended to be funny?
Not in the least.
I believe that the Palestinian population has every right to continue to fight for what is rightfully theirs as proscribed by the UN accords immediately after WWII and then again with modifications in 1967. The first UN accord granted Palestine 40% of the land and Israel has since then usurped 92% of what was once all Palestininan land.
The Muslims are completely within their rights to be outraged by the continued massacring of Palestinians by Israeli Jews as are their co- religionist who chose to fight along with them. The US being a willing participant in the Israeli annexation of virtually all of Palestine is a natural target for their Muslim wrath.
When Europe was being beseiged by Germany’s annexation of one country after another no one doubted the motives of the US in coming to the aid of Europe. The pretext was that borders need to be protected. Since then it has been codified in the Geneva accords that annexation of land is a crime against the peace a crime that subsumes all other crimes in gravity. That is exactly the crime Israel has been engaged in for the last 50 years with the aid of the US.
So using the same pretext the Muslims have the same right to fight against those that are commiting crimes against the Palestinians. If that pretext was good for the US in WWII it is good for Muslim fighters today.
Could you remind me of exactly when it was that it was all Palestinian land? My scant education has left me with the idea that the land was Ottoman for a fairly lengthy period and then passed into British hands.
I’m pretty sure that there was a division of the land thereafter and I remember something about the Palestinians having some type of objection.
Perhaps then you might clarify the meaning of “continued massacring”.
And then move on to the US being a willing participant in the Israeli annexation of virtual all Palestinian land. I’m fairly sure that the US hasn’t participated in an annexation that hasn’t taken place.
Far as I recall, Israel thinks that it holds the territory in belligerent occupation.
If you can guide me through these things, I’ve got more questions.
At the time that Britain was a protectorate of Palestine the population was and had been Palestinian with the vast majority holding lawful leases. The initail UN accord after WWII provided for a partition where 40% would become Palestine. Immediately the Israeli Jews declared Israel to be an independent state and was so recognized by Truman with no recognition of Palestine as a separate state. The borders were further clarified in 1967 which the Israeli Jews have continued to encroach upon by force and mandatory expulsion of Palestinians.
Every Arab country has since recognized the right of Israel to exist as a soverign country within the ’67 borders. Since that time the US has aquiesced and aided in every annexation and encroachment into those ’67 borders. And continues to do so to this very day.
Again, if Israel with the aid of the US continue to commit crimes of forceful annexation and criminal collective punishment against the Palestinian population then both the Palestinians and their co-Muslim fighters have every right to fight for the land which is rightfully theirs.
Lastly, if you have no recollection of the massive collective punishment and massacring of thousands of innocent Palestinians in Gaza in Dec. 2008 which was met with worldwide revulsion and condemenation then I am not about to remind you of anything. You can look it up and satisfy yourself.
In that same vein the US supplies Israel with arms and attack choppers and billions of dollars in aide and if you think that is for peaceful purposes suit yourself. But I can assure you that the wrath that this unbroken commitment to Israel to the detriment of the Palestinian people is not lost on that suffering population nor on those who side and are willing to fight with them.
Any investor who read Dick Tracy and liked it would have jumped at cell phones once they came out. Sometimes a meme prepares the way for new ideas.
Right now we are trying to prepare a meme of trying to understand al Quieda Darth wants that meme stopped.
Once we get some real intelligence on al Quieda and Ossama we will change our theories.
Speculation like gossip breeds interest this interest is why the GOP wins elections. And why we win elections based on ideas. If we had hard facts to form ideas from we would not be reduced to speculation.
8 years of war and we know nothing about Osama? I’m sure the Saudis interviewed all his friends and family the facts just have not been released we have to demand the facts! Can we at least agree on that? And yes I will change my theory to accept new facts once we get them.
I entirely agree George.